Rick writes “I was on your show about two years ago regarding my investigations into the potential paranormal aspects of the Bigfoot phenomenon. I would like to update you on my efforts (Quantum Bridge Project) and the progress we’ve made to date.
As you know, I used to be the State Director for the Virginia Chapter of the Mutual UFO Network and investigated numerous UFO sighting reports to include purported “abduction” cases. I transitioned to the paranormal realm because of the apparent similarities in certain cases. I’ve been with the Center for Paranormal Research and Investigations (CPRI) for the past twenty-four years and, within the past eight years, started conducting “cryptid” research for the same aforementioned reasons.
I chose CPRI because of their philosophy and the way they approached the paranormal using the scientific method. The organization has MDs, PhDs in sociology, educators, nurses, chemists, current and former law enforcement officers, etc. CPRI is a Virginia 501(c) nonprofit, educational organization with a Board of Directors.
I approached their Board with a written research proposal requesting that we investigate the “cryptid” phenomena in the same fashion they approach the paranormal; using certain specialized instrumentation and equipment like thermal imaging/ recording devises, remote data loggers designed to measure various EM/ radiological fields, and certain environmental conditions. My proposal involved locating a potentially credible cryptid investigator and working with them in their respected field research areas in order to capture supporting data during a sighting. This would not only validate that something is actually occurring, but to potentially explain certain aspects of the phenomenon. I’ve attached this particular proposal for your reference.
One of my investigators located Harley Owens; a fairly new cryptid investigator in the East Tennessee area. Some of his sightings have been validated by other independent investigators, so I decided to work with him. His research area is near Cosby, TN, which is one of the areas the late Scott Carpenter used to investigate. Over the past two years, Ive independently investigated this area with Harley to further gauge his credibility before devoting CPRI resources to this geographical area. During that time, I’ve seen strange tree structures, heard screams, roars, and strange “barn owl” sounds, I have also seen those infamous” lights” that are seemingly associated with the Bigfoot phenomenon.
On one occasion, I saw one of these “lights” at night on my thermal imager. It was moving intelligently through the forest. Interestingly enough, when I tried to see the light without the thermal, it wasn’t visible. When I looked through the thermal, it would reappear, indicating it had some type of invisible heat source. Harley was next to me and wanted to see the light through the thermal. When he looked through it, he saw the light and, as it approached a dirt road, he said the light “transformed” into an upright being exhibiting a heat signature. It walked across the road and up an incline towards an adjacent knoll. I didn’t see this; however, about one minute later, I heard a loud scream and an “owl’ like vocal come from this same knoll. This scream was extremely loud and lasted about two to three seconds. It also sounded like some type of primate. It was immediately followed by an “owl” vocal, which didn’t seem right.
On another investigation in July of 2024, Harley and I were in his research area one night when we heard a loud, very intimidating roar (not scream) coming from another Ridgeline adjacent to a cemetery, which is the apparent focal point of the activity. This roar was so intimidating and loud, we were concerned for our safety. You could actually feel “rage” coming from whatever made it. I’ve never heard anything quite like it before, so we decided to pack everything up in order to make a quick exit if the situation called for it. We didn’t stay too much longer before we left the area.
As you probably know, these so called “orb” sightings are very common in both Bigfoot and paranormal cases, which leads me to some information you and your listeners may find very interesting. Back in 2003, CPRI investigated a case near Bedford, VA. This case involved a lady who lived on a farm in a double wide home. The lady reported seeing shadows, hearing voices and reported poltergeist type activity throughout the house. During the course of our investigation, she related an incident that occurred in the early 80s. She was getting ready for bed, had just turned off the bedroom lights when she saw three “orbs” hovering in a level, straight line at the foot of her bed. They appeared to be the size of a softball and each exhibited a different color; one was orange, one was light blue and the last was reddish They emitted light and then moved in unison (line formation) down her hallway and made a 90 degree left turn into her dinning room. She immediately went to the dinning room to see where they went and couldn’t locate them. It was as if they just disappeared.
The following morning, she went back into the dinning room and noticed three circular discolored/ burnt marks on her window screen. She believed these orbs went through the screen because they weren’t there before, the window was left open and each mark was about the same size of these orbs. We asked her about the screen and, fortunately, she had rolled it up and kept it in her barn and forgot about it. We went to the barn and she pulled it out. The screen still had these three strange marks on it, so we asked if we could have it analyzed. She agreed, so we gave it to one of our members who happened to be a Radiochemist and worked for a federal lab in eastern Virginia. He’s no longer with CPRI, so I’m not at liberty to divulge his name or where he worked without permission. He took the screen to his lab for analysis. A few weeks later, he sent us a report with his findings, which were intriguing. I’ve attached a document containing excerpts of his report to keep him and his employer’s information confidential.
According to the report, the discolored sections of the screen were highly irradiated. The areas were so irradiated we decided to ask the lady some health questions. Around the same time as the orb incident, she did experience bad flu symptoms, nausea, fever and general weakness, which lasted about a week or two. She thought it was just the flu, but did reveal additional information that brings doubt to that conclusion. A few years later, the had to have hip replacement surgery. After the surgery, the doctor asked if she had ever had radiation therapy. When she said no, the doctor said the bone structure of her hip was porous. It appeared to have been subjected to a type of radiation. Apparently she may have been exposed to a great deal of radiation that night. This is not to say that all orb phenomena contains radioactive properties, but it appears these lights did.
In March of 2025, I assembled a team from CPRI and we (along with Harley) conducted a preliminary investigation of the Cosby site. The team consisted of Harley, myself, an archeologist, University Professor and another retired law enforcement officer. We did take some instrumentation with us. During the course of three days, we found several unusual tree structures, interviewed a resident in the area and conducted night surveillance. The primary location was the site of an old cemetery, which seems to be the focal point of the activity. We were able to witness unusual light activity in the cemetery. This took the form of small red points of moving light. Another larger red light was also seen depending in a straight line towards the same Ridgeline that the “roar” was heard a year earlier. Our archeologist witnessed a large, indistinct dark mass cross in front of him through the cemetery. He was wearing an Apple Smart Watch with embedded bio sensor at the time. He was able to pull the heart rate data from the watch and, at the exact time he witnessed this event. His heart rate jumped from 66 BPM to 124 BPM. On one occasion, our professor also witnessed a small green light hovering about thirty feet above the cemetery. These lights couldn’t readily be explained. They didn’t match the will-o-the-wisp (swamp methane gas ignition) phenomena because the weather was cool, it hadn’t rained, low humidity and most of the colors seen were red instead of the signature faint blue-violet glow.”
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Joseph K
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James G
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Brian L
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Venzulo
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Wendell F
Thanks Wes for another great great show!!
Melody P
Hi Wes!
John P K
Thank you Wes for your hard work.
James G
I have been looking into the UAP and Sasquatch topic for a while now, the are some similarities during and around encounters that are remarkably similar. I always say both phenomena are trees in the same forest, both related in some unknown way
Lisa B
Wahoo Wes! ♥️
Candice W
I have to say..Never doubt when people say that they have Encounters in neighborhoods! Because the juvenile that I saw in broad daylight was only a football field and a half away from a cul-de-sac full of people. There is a home run daycare right against the wood line in this Neighborhood.. There’s a lake there’s all kinds of things & ways for them to travel through the area. I’ve had many encounters in this Forest. This is within 30 mi of Boston Mass. My new saying for the forest people… They go where they want,when they want! 🌲👣 💛
Maria G
This bio is very interesting and I’m totally looking forward to hearing this episode. I have my bachelor’s degree in natural science and Im excited to hear about his research and findings. Thx Wes… your the bestest Wesest.. lol. Have a good night guys
Lisa B
Great Show Wes! Always awesome to hear those stories..thanks for putting the lights on for us! ♥️🙏🏻✝️🦥
Kimber J
Great show!!
Sally K
Great show! Thank you, Wes and your learned guest. I’ve had numerous supernatural and paranormal experience all my life.
Once, I was awaken by my cat running up the stairs. I looked at the bedroom door and a blue orb shot into the room with my cat chasing it. The orb perched in the corner on the crown molding above the armoire. I then notice a smaller red orb 2 feet away perched above the bathroom door. I started to turn on the bedside lamp and wake my husband but suddenly I had a mental vision that if I did, the orb would attack me and tear up my face.
So, I lay there waiting for daylight, but somehow drifted off tol asleep. The orbs wer gone when I awoke. No windows or outside doors were open. I wonder if many of these incidences with lights, orbs, and cryptids might be related to the archons. These frequency parasites are in ancient texts tossed out of the Bible around 325 AD. Might be another layer to investigate, such as Gospel of Philip, archonic signal, controlling language vs recognition language. Just something I’ve been contemplating.
Thank you, again for a very informative show!
Shawn R
👉 Cookies, milk, and Sasquatch Chronicles, does life get any better than that 🤣
George & Shekinah
I wonder if this is the report he mentioned- this was a survey, 3.7 million Americans claim to have had an experience ufo/alien related: https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/29/1993/01/22165151/p34.pdf
I’m one of the 3.7 million. Age 5-10 starting in 1971. Taken from a backyard sandbox in the afternoon. It was a bright orb like a sun. I saw two suns in the sky and I knew that was wrong, lol. I remembered a lot of it. It wasn’t like I forgot after it happened.
I was taken to a base I believe may have been underground. There was Military (earth based) involvement.
I was Exposed to technology such as a device controlled by the mind. Time travel. (I asked them how my parents never noticed I was missing after I tried to tell my mother about it and she just minimized it as a child’s imagination game. They told me they put me back in the moment that they would take me).
They were human looking. They were Telepathic which I loved immediately. The being assigned to me looked my age only far more advanced, he was blond and blue eyed.
I’ve been talking about it since it happened. I drove everyone in my family crazy with my interest in UFO’s. As a kid I told everyone. I was mocked, laughed at, but it made no difference to me because I damn well knew it happened. It was a huge deal to me, it blew my mind to meet the “air space people” which was my name for them.
They stopped taking me at one point. No explanations. I was living life, growing up, it wasn’t as if my life revolved around it, it was just a hugely impactful experience. I talked about it to people. I would ask everyone if they had seen or experienced anything.
In my early twenties I decided to ask my family if any of them had ever seen a ufo or had any sort of experience (after I learned family members could have been contacted as well from books I had sought out).
My father may have witnessed me being taken from my sand box. He told me he was looking out the kitchen window in the daytime and saw a bright sun like orb hovering in the back yard. I hadn’t described to my father what I had seen as far as any craft. He described what I had seen all those years ago, exactly how I would describe it and where it was the first time they took me. He added how he wasn’t sure if he had dreamt it. I asked him what he did when he saw it, he said he didn’t remember doing anything.
I attended a MUFON conference in the Ozarks in the early 90’s (my early 20’s) where I met Linda Howell, Stanton Friedman (very nice man), Colin Andrews and Budd Hopkins. I went there to find answers about my experiences, it was the first and only time I attempted such a thing.
My conservation with Budd Hopkins was very strange. At the time he was touted as THE expert on abductions. I found out much later that it was rumored if an abduction involved military aspects he wanted nothing to do with it.
It impacted my life profoundly. Pierced the veil of reality for me.
Teri Z
Another great show, Wes! Thanks to you and your guests. 🙂
Joseph K
Very interesting show, Wes!!
Jon A
I’m not into If I junk. I’m a Christian, they are demons. Tired of dumb stuff.
Anne-Marith V
Thank you Wes, very fascinating episode! 🌷🌿☀️
Karen F
Good show. Plan on listening to it a 2nd time, made me wonder about a lot of things. Always keep an open mind and think outside of the box. Thank you again
Mike L
great episode— there is no doubt there is a spirit component to this. it would never have been this apparent without all of these interviews. Wes much thx. AND, this helps explain why these “UFO” are always sighted near nuclear reactors and military bases and even other type potential “fuel sources “
Vice President JD Vance not so crazy for his comments after all!
Mike L
when I grew up in deep tall mountains of east Ky, very hard to transverse, I often saw many lights when we were out at night. The lights were very small and usually, much as I can recall, (I’m age 60 now) the lights we discounted as being coon hunters or other people with a mining light on their head. I/We could not tell many specifics, and just never thought twice except we would wonder “how is that guy traveling so easily and quick in that mountain ?”. So, we just assumed we were seeing mine light bounce up and down and in trees! Insanity, but we just did not have any other frame of reference to understand what we saw. so, pretty soon you start disregard these things you see, and even sounds and you chalk them up to normal Forrest sounds and you just hike on!
Daren c
Oh man! Rick is awesome, absolutely loved the two other episodes he was on and was really hoping he’d be back again for more episodes. Thanks Wes, Rick and Doc!!
Much like you Wes, I think Rick is an wealth of the and it would be IMHO cool to have him on somewhat regularly.
Anyhow, thank you!
Charles R
Great discussion. You should really have Jack and Rick back soon. Im sure they have a lot more input. Last night my wife and mysself finally watched S-4 about the Bob Lazar story. Excellent and worth the 10 dollars. I first listened to his story in 1992 as Art Bell was my go to for years. Anyway radiation came up in the 2 hours. And of course Bob was the first person to state the ships use element 115, probably a certain isotope to power them. I had not heard that story about the gentleman touching an orb and almost dying from radiation poisoning. WOW. The only orb I ever saw was at most 1.5 feet away at my face and being 40 at that time,I may well have touched it had not the back window of my buddies truck been a barrier. Alien type stuff has followed me since I was 4, most memories erased I assume, just bits and parts, even after a specific incident. One time though I woke up with 3 bite marks where elbow crease veins are. Later in the day, no itching, no raised skin and they were equa distant, maybe 1/4 to 1’2 inch from each other in a straight line. I knew then I had an experience the previous night and they took a blood sample. Darrel Simms has documented such cases.
Audrey J
Awesome episode! I wish more conventional scientists would get with the program and start applying true scientific rigor to these areas. Even if they refuse to believe the existence of the phenomenon, it would be fascinating to investigate and explain why so many people claim to be experiencing “something” so unusual. The fact that mainstream science just ignores such an obvious area of unexplained phenomena in the natural world is shocking given the fact that the whole goal of science is to investigate, explore and explain things we don’t yet fully understand. Mocking their colleagues who do take an active interest in such topics also seems anathema to the whole point of scientific pursuit. The courage to think unconventionally and unapologetically is what will eventually advance our true understanding of the world. Hopefully, the next generation will produce many more open minded and curious scientific investigators like your guests on this episode. Keep these kinds of episodes coming Wes!
Nikita V
My encounter with ‘the lights’ are the reason I got into the subject of Sasquatch.
In March of 2014, I had an orb come into my cabin, come into the bedroom (where I was) and then shoot out the window. It was volleyball sized and I could see things withing the orb moving around, like cells under a microscope. We were in the south Kootenays of BC and it was my very first night there after purchasing the property. I was left confused, bewildered and questioning my sanity. The topic of sasquatch was hodge podge to me at that point, until I started hearing stories online of how others were seeing the same thing I had.
I do believe these ‘orbs’ or ‘lights’ have some kind of consciousness. I feel it came to observe me in some way.