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In reply to: Index to my blog Our Distant Cousins
There are lots of accounts of sasquatches killing people. In a number of those accounts people did something to provoke the killing, but not always.
Here are some accounts from Alaska collected by John Green of sasquatches killing people.
John Green’s Collection of Sasquatch Killings in Alaska
Portlock, Alaska
A teacher and his wife at English Bay stated hunters from Portlock sometimes failed to return. In 1949 hunters found mutilated and giant manlike tracks, 18 inches were reported closing in on moose tracks and signs of a struggle. Then only deeper manlike tracks heading for higher mountains. The village was abandoned in 1949. There residents there were afraid to talk about incidents such as this.
Nulato, Alaska
In 1920 Albert Petka died after fighting with a “bushman” that had attacked him on the boat where he was living. His dogs drove the “bushman” off, but the man later died.
Nelchina Plateau, Alaska
1930’s The hairy giant “Gilyuk,” also called “the cannibal giant,” killed one of the Indians. His sign was a sapling twisted to shreds. Reported by Russell Annabel, published in Sports Afield Magazine.
Near Ruby, Alaska
1943 John Mire, known as “the Dutchman” was in DeWild’s camp, 18 miles down Yukon from Ruby when attacked; he fought off a hair-covered man but later died of internal injuries. The creature was run off by dogs. Credit Bob Betts.
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/oldalaska.htm
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Two Loggers Hunting a Sasquatch with a Lantern Ripped Apart
In the late 1890s near the Chetco River in southern Oregon, a dozen loggers and their families encountered a great beast with disastrous results. Camping in tents by the river, the lumber men would awaken each morning to find their freshly cut timber, logs which required three men to move, carelessly scattered about like matchsticks. Huge human footprints left in the damp earth were the only clues. Since they had been having trouble with bears, the men followed the footprints through the torn shrubbery and uprooted saplings until they disappeared.
That night, the loggers were awakened by shrill screams of something not quite human in the near underbrush. Seizing a rifle, one man lit a torch and headed into the darkness. He was quickly followed by several other men. In a very short time, the first man rushed back to collapse in terror at the feet of his tracking companions. He babbled incoherently about a hairy monster eight feet tall with yellow eyes, fangs, and hands like a man. His description put the camp in an uproar.
The next night, two men decided to track and kill the hairy intruder. They carried a small lantern and loaded rifles and disappeared into the darkness behind the tents. Back in camp, their friends heard screams and shrieks and the sounds of gunfire. Then…silence.
When the two men did not reappear, the other loggers grabbed lanterns and torches and, while firing their guns into the air, set out in search of their comrades. A half mile from camp, they found the scene of a desperate struggle. Broken and bleeding, arms and legs ripped from the torsos, their two friends lay scattered all over the place. They had been slammed against trees and torn into pieces by something with incredible strength. Blood dripped into small pools from branches high in the trees, as well as from the crushed greenery of the surrounding shrubs. But of the hairy creature responsible, there were only bloody footprints leading deep into the woods.
The loggers struck camp and left the area the next day. Professional hunters entered the forest in the days that followed, but found no sign of the creature.
http://www.bigfoot-lives.com/html/bigfoot_history.html
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“Large man-like creature covered in brown hair carrying a man, legs and shoes seen”
Fresno, California
George Draper discussed a hair raising story which added to the evidence that the ABSM may sometimes hunt human beings. Mr. O. R. Edwards, owner of a lock and safe company in Fresno, California, testified that he had encountered a man-animal in the southern Siskiyou Mountains during World War II:
“I saw a large man-like creature covered with brown hair,” Edwards stated. It was about seven feet tall and it was carrying in its arms what seemed like a man. I could only see legs and shoes.
It was heading straight downhill on the run. “I, of course, did not believe what I had just seen. So I closed my eyes and shook my head to sort of clear things up.” I looked down the hill again in time to see the back and shoulders and head of a man-like thing covered with brown hair. It was disappearing into the brush some seventy to eighty yards below.” Edwards also claimed that the creature emitted ”the damnedest whistling-scream I ever heard.” Draper noted that ”other observers have described the man-animal’s strange cry as ‘a vibrating sound’ or like the sound of a steam locomotive whistle or the sound of metal tearing.” One witness, a geologist named R. A. E. Morley, said the animal issued ”a vibrating wail, like a person in pain.”
Source: San Francisco Chronicle (December 7, 1965)
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Here’s an account Gumshoguy sent to Wes.
Sasquatch Seen Dragging Man from Hwy Rest Stop
“It was new years 1999. I was driving along #1 hwy with my brother his wife, my newborn and their 1yr old little girl.
We were heading back to Vancouver and made a random washroom stop beside Mooselake. It was a small rest stop sitting by the river. We already made a fuel stop in Jasper and didn’t want to make any more stops until we reached Kamloops. As we pulled in, there was a car sitting parked that looked abandoned, it sat in the direction of exiting the rest stop towards jasper way. We thought maybe the person just stopped for a sec to go back into the rest stop. I asked my brother to see if there was anyone there who may have left the car sitting running like the way we noticed with the doors wide open and igniton and headlights on. My brother took his family to the washroom.
I sat to settle my baby down and feed him, before we pulled in we had also noticed a trucker made a stop there a well. After they left for the bathroom, a guy had approached me at my window tapping on it, he was trying to get my attention in an urgent manner. I was startled and never opened the window for him. I was hoping he’d leave, he kept asking me to roll the window down and look towards where he kept pointing. I was too afraid to bother looking thinking he could’ve been a weirdo. So i avoided him best I could.
When my brother came back, I asked if anyone was in the bathroom who might have left the car sitting the way it was, he said nobody was around bc he looked for the person. Thats when the trucker immediately approached him to tell him what he was directing us to see. He told me he wasn’t trying to scare anyone but he wanted to clarify what he was seeing to assure he wasnt seeing things or going crazy.
We all looked to see what the urgency was it took our attention and breath away. It was something far taller and much larger than a person, it had fur and was dark in appearance, the arms fell much longer than anyone normally. It was pulling something that we noticed looked like a person up the snowy embankment above the road across the opposite side from the rest stop. Our jaws dropped and were frightened by what we seen.
It had to have been the person that left the car sitting idling. It gave everyone chills and the trucker told us he was going to report the car abandoned and person as missing. The creature we seen had no clothing on and what to appear as fur top to bottom. It was watching us watch him as he continued to pull what looked like a person up the hill. Right away we jumped into the car to get away from there before anything else occurred, the trucker also left immediately fast as we could go. While we drove away we had to pass along the embankment in the direction where we spotted what we believed was a Sasquatch. I looked out the back window sitting beside my newborn and niece scared outa my wits watching this creature running on top of the treed hill to our direction through the snow.
We drove as fast as possible to get out of there without making any stops, my brother was so afraid he was in tears and he’s a big brute of a man which left him feel a bit awkward after telling me he’s never experienced such a sighting in his life and never will travel BC highways again apparently this was his first time on the #1 highway. We didn’t bother reporting it bc we didn’t want people thinking we were crazy bc of so many skeptics then.”
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Bigfoot Outlaws tells of Man Killed after Shooting One
Coonbo and Bear of Bigfoot Outlaws on ep. 28 part 2 told about a story relayed to them by an FBI agent of man killed on the Kentucky/Tennessee border.
They talked about if you shoot one there’s a good chance you will have to deal with the whole troop coming of sasquatches. coming after you.
A man was at a shooting range firing a 300 magnum Winchester rifle. The rifle shots must have brought a sasquatch in who appeared at the high wall of this gravel pit where the man was target shooting, and the fellow aimed and shot it. The sasquatch went into the woods and he went up there looking for it and apparently found it. The authorities found the man’s tracks where he went walking into the woods looking for it. The ground was muddy on top of that ridge of the gravel pit. It seems the man not only found it but must have shot it several more times because they found shell casings and a whole lot of blood on the ground.
They also found tracks that looked like four more sasquatches came to that location. They found what was left of the rifle on top of that ridge all torn up. The stock was busted and barrel was bent. They found the man dead with his body bent backwards — he was broken backwards with his legs were folded up against the back of his torso with his feet up behind his head. They found his body wedged in his truck between the steering wheel and the seat back where they had evidently crammed him back in his truck. And they found at least four sets of sasquatch tracks around the badly beat up truck that it seems the sasquatches beat up really good. So, they could determine there were at least four sasquatches around the man’s truck. But it was written off as a bear attack.
Source: video, Bigfoot Outlaws Ep. 28 part 2.
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Man Killed during interlude with Woman 1946
Jefferson County, Oklahoma 1946
From GCBRO files
This report is from the Police files of this area. It was told by an older ex Police Officer.
A man from out of town had came to visit his girlfriend. She was married so they were having to sneak around to see each other. They went down a country road and parked and got out of the vehicle and was in the edge of the woods in the process of attempting to make love. They were startled by loud screams and crashing through the woods. The Italian term for this is “Coitus Interruptus”, in other words they were rudely interrupted while in their throws of heated passion.
They jumped up leaving their clothes behind. The woman was on her menstrual cycle and I figure this is what drove the creature to act as it did????
Anyway, they ran and jumped in the car and drove down the road, not in any big hurry as they felt safe, now in their vehicle. They came to the stop sign a quarter of a mile down the road and stopped.
The creature was there also and crashed through the passenger window and reached across the woman and grabbed the man by his throat. The woman went hysterical but managed to stomp her foot on the gas to get out of there. The creature ripped the throat out of the man killing him. The woman had enough composure to get to her families house who took her to the hospital and called the Police to investigate. She never fully recovered, and died less than a month later from the trauma she endured from the incident.
Hair samples were gathered from the vehicle and should still be in the evidence room at the Police Department. The incident was ruled an “Unknown Homicide” and the books was closed on it.
https://gcbro.com/OKjef001.htm
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Four Gold Miners Killed by Sasquatch!
That headline never appeared when it happened! Truth is that this story was hushed up until uncovered by noted author Zane Grey!
The event took place in 1922. The Almeda mine on the Rogue River employed close to 250 miners just south of Galice, Oregon. That spring, five miners decided to search for their own gold strike, and took off downriver to find their fortune.
After two weeks with no discovery, four of them decided to return to Galice hoping to be re-hired at the Almeda. Only one man made it back, and he told a tale of two giant “ape-men” attacking them and the “giant forest monsters” killing his friends!
A search party was dispatched in order to stop the stories and wild tales in fear that the rest of the miners would start quitting en-masse. It took the searchers a week to find the attack site, and they only found two of the men.
Their report stated, “The men had been killed by a savage attack on them from some unknown animals of the forest.” The third man was never found, but part of his pants and his hat were among some “enormous-sized” footprints all around the men’s bodies!
The party returned to the mine with the dead men’s packs, and the foreman told them to keep quiet about their discovery or “lose their jobs!” Since the Almeda paid well, no one talked!
The lone survivor disappeared and the story was never released until the famous author Zane Grey, who owned a remote cabin about 15 miles downriver from the Almeda mine, heard about the incident and through his research, found enough factual evidence to make an interesting story.
Zane Grey is said to have written an article on this bigfoot event, but we have been unable, at this point, to identify the magazine that published it. We’re still searching.
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Four Lone Hunters Go Missing In Two Years
MONTANA
Here is an interesting story that I assume are lone hunters in Montana who go missing in the same area over a short period of time. . . .
“Roy W. Rye, a university educated experienced bear hunter from Billings, Montana was out hunting grizzly in the early afternoon upon seeing large tracks in the snow he noticed a creature resting its head and arms on a fallen tree five or six feet above snow. It had a large flat head, sloping shoulders, stubby ears, short neck, was brownish gray haired. It screamed and rocked from side to side and slobbered. Four men disappeared in this area in two years. Broken rifle found. This report was published in “Montana Sports Outdoors” in December of 1960 and in “Saga Magazine” in January of 1961.. JG BC Archives.”
http://www.bigfooten…ldermontana.htm
Comment: I’ve read that sasquatches can be more aggressive and come closer to lone individuals than they will two or more. Also in Montana is the famous story recounted by Teddy Roosevelt of a companion of a man named Bauman, whom after being left alone in the camp was killed by a sasquatch.
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SASQUATCHES KILL 12 INDIANS
Allen Chenois added that the Tyapish had not killed any Indians of the past generation that he knows of, but he had heard that former Chehalis Indians had been murdered at times by the giant Indians. They were so strong it is known they could pull a grown man’s head right off.
L. Peter James of the Lummi tribe related last year to the writer that the Seeahtik always leaves a tiny branch of cedar tree at places they have visited or upon people whom they have killed or played a practical joke on. The Duwamish tribe at one time related that some of their women had been stolen. So, the Indians abducted a young Seeahtik. The Seeahtiks in a rage killed 12 of the Duwamish tribe by ripping them in two. Mr. James’ mother, who is still alive, was a witness to the tragedy. She said; “They took our young men like toys, turning them upside down and ripping them in two like a piece of calico. Never again did the Duwamish tribe seek revenge when their women and babies were stolen by these Snayihum or Indians of the night and brothers to the Noseless one.”
“It was a custom of their’s to steal dried clams from the Lummi Indians,” said Mr. James. “The Seeahtiks are tall, hairy creatures and are great travelers.”
Earliest documented Bigfoot Sighting in Pacific Northwest – Part 2
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Human-Bigfoot War, Oklahoma, 1855
by Robert Lindsay | April 18, 2011
The giants in the story appear to be Bigfoots.
Choctaw territory in Indian Territory was in SE Oklahoma, which is Ground Zero for Bigfoots in Oklahoma.
Interesting story. The Bigfoots (only referred to here as the giants) had been raiding human settlements on SE Oklahoma and Arkansas for some time, mostly stealing vegetables. They had also been stealing human children and apparently eating them. A Choctaw search party was organized, led by Joshua LeFlore.
This man actually existed. He was born in the Choctaw Nation in 1797 and died in Indian Territory in 1855. So apparently this story, if it is true, is from 1855. It must be later than 1838 because Indian Territory was only established in that year. It references Arkansas, and that state was let in in 1836. There was not yet a state of Oklahoma, not to come into being until 1907. So the story must have taken place from 1838-1907.
A hunting party tracks the Bigfoots down and finds a giant mound with the bodies of 19 human children the Bigfoots have been kidnapping and eating. The Bigfoots are covered in hair, and the bad smell of their shit and piss is everywhere. Most of the humans’ horses rear up and throw their riders, which is what horses do when they see Bigfoots.
The humans attack the Bigfoots, and LeFlore empties his revolver at one, but it’s useless. The Bigfoot kills LeFlore’s mount with a single blow and then tears off LeFlore’s head. The rest of the Indians open up with .50 caliber Sharp’s buffalo rifles (designed to drop a buffalo) on the beasts, from experience aiming at their heads, as this is the best way to kill them. Two Bigfoots drop. A Choctaw Indian hunts down LeFlore’s killer and finishes it off with a hunting knife. Then he decapitates it for good measure.
The Indians bury what’s left of the kids, then bury their leader, giving him a 21 gun salute. Then they make a bonfire and burn the Bigfoots on the fire. They ride home, heading for bad dreams, maybe lasting a lifetime.
Wild story! The giants certainly seem like Bigfoots. Many Indian tribes describe Bigfoots as highly aggressive, stealers of men, women and even children. Young women were apparently taken for mates. Bigfoots would descend on Indian villages with whistles before raining rocks down on the Indians.
Many Western tribes describe areas of their territory that were totally off limits, and the Indians refused to go there, for these were the territories of the Bigfoots. These territories were full of game, but the Indians were so terrified that they avoided them like the plague. Why would Indians avoid a forage-rich area area due to creatures that don’t even exist?
Probably the Bigfoots were more aggressive against Indians because the Indians did not have good methods for killing them. Power comes from the barrel of a gun after all. Bigfoots are highly intelligent and appear to have a language. Our guns are very powerful, much more powerful than the Indians’ weapons. Bigfoots have probably learned to fear and respect us due to our weaponry, and that is why they are much more pacifistic than they were in the Indian era and even during the early era of White settlement of the West.
Most animals figure out who the apex predator is and leave it alone. In North America, humans are the apex predator par excellance. I would imagine that most animals figure this out at some point, or there is some race memory due to genetic selection. For instance, grizzly bears that are highly aggressive are rapidly killed by humans, and the surviving bears that pass on genes are the most passive and avoidant ones.
There is a precedent for stealing children. During times of famine in Africa, chimpanzees are known to raid human villages, steal human babies and eat them.
In reply to: My Guess
I’ve read the swaying is linked to aggression. Since it’s been linked to sasquatches in different areas maybe it’s an innate behavior, like as wolfheathen suggested nervous energy, or it could just be part of a universal non-verbal language sasquatches use. The rocking is side to side while facing whatever is the subject of the behavior. It seems to be sending a message.
“Roy W. Rye, a university educated experienced bear hunter from Billings, Montana was out hunting grizzly in the early afternoon upon seeing large tracks in the snow he noticed a creature resting its head and arms on a fallen tree five or six feet above snow. It had a large flat head, sloping shoulders, stubby ears, short neck, was brownish gray haired. It screamed and rocked from side to side and slobbered. Four men disappeared in this area in two years. Broken rifle found. This report was published in “Montana Sports Outdoors” in December of 1960 and in “Saga Magazine” in January of 1961.. JG BC Archives.”
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/oldermontana.htm
My Comment: I’ve read another encounter where a hunter killed by sasquatches had his rifle bent in two after he had allegedly shot a sasquatch. Hunters can get into trouble if they shoot a sasquatch. It’s one of the impediments to getting a sasquatch body. They take charge of the remains of their dead.
Sasquatches can be more aggressive and come closer to lone individuals than they will two or more. Also in Montana is the famous story recounted by Teddy Roosevelt of a companion of a man named Bauman, whom after being left alone in the camp was killed by a sasquatch.
In reply to: O/T Poll: Who will accept mandatory vaccinations?
Steven B, you’re good to go!
Canada reopens its border for vaccinated US visitors
By LISA BAUMANN and WILSON RINGhttps://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-canada-business-health-travel-f2a37189b8c7ac90dddec1514a7f3fa8
In reply to: What IS the Wild Woods Foundation?
Lee wrote, “Didn’t an American president put aside the state forests for the hairy folk. . . .”
President Theodore Roosevelt is the reason we have so many national parks in the U.S. He established 5 such parks and a lot of national monuments that were later expanded into national parks and passed legislation making it easy for presidents to do so which led to the expansion of the parks system.
Teddy did write about the Bauman incident where a sasquatch may have killed a man, but I don’t know if or to what degree he may have had sasquatch in mind when establishing parks. He was a great outdoor enthusiast.
Best of luck Wolf with helping set aside land for such reserves.
Topic: Historical Bigfoot
Frontier Bigfoot War 1785
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Sasquatch Encounters by Canadian Native People. Marathon_16
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44.4K subscribersLink to article in McClean’s Magazine dated April 1, 1929.
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The History of Hoosier Cryptids | [Indi]android Ep. 10
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A Civil War Encounter
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44.4K subscribersA letter, dated 1895, was recently made available to me by a local historian and writer. I was not allowed to make copies or remove the letter from his office. It was hard to read because the paper is old and the handwriting in those days, while beautiful, is difficult to read. However I was able to understand most of it in the short time I had possession of the letter. Here is the story.
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Bigfoot Kills Trapper {Bauman’s Story}
Bob Gymlan
69.1K subscribersTheodore Roosevelt’s book “The Wilderness Hunter” is 600 pages about life on the frontier. Hidden within it, is a story that Roosevelt believed, about a trapper who got out alive, and a trapper that didn’t.
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That Was No Bear
A short history of Bigfoot sightings and lore.By John Zada
TUESDAY, JULY 02, 2019
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Summerville, Oregon, 2019. Photograph by Old White Truck. Flickr (CC BY-SA 2.0).
In the world of Bigfoot, there are stories. And then there are stories. The former involve encounters of the run-of-the-mill variety. They are the brief, unexpected, and often perplexing brushes between man and beast that occur with little fanfare and end all too quickly, leaving a trail of questions in their wake. The discovery of tracks, the screams, the glimpses of fur and form, the sound of footsteps around the tent at night—these are the more common, dime-a-dozen experiences. Had my early exposure to the phenomenon been limited to a few of these sorts of accounts, Bigfoot perhaps would not have left its indelible impression on me.
The bigger and brasher tales—the classics, as they’re called—are what fueled my journey to believerdom. These yarns were so outlandish, so seemingly preposterous, that they could only be relegated to that borderland where reality segues into fantasy.
No Bigfoot connoisseur worth his night-vision equipment doesn’t know the story of Albert Ostman—a Sasqualogy cause célèbre second only to the 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film. Ostman, a Swedish Canadian logger, claimed he was kidnapped in his sleeping bag one night while prospecting in the wilderness at the head of Toba Inlet, British Columbia (just south of the Great Bear Rainforest), in 1924. Ostman alleged that after being picked up in his bag and dragged through the mountains for most of the night, he was dropped in a clearing in a small valley where the light of the rising sun revealed a nuclear family of Bigfoots—a father, mother, son, and daughter—staring at him in the faint light of dawn. His otherwise curious and mostly benevolent hosts, chattering in an incomprehensible patois, kept him prisoner there for almost a week. Ostman finally made a successful dash for freedom after poisoning “the Old Man,” as he called him, by feeding him a can of chewing tobacco he happened to have in his sleeping bag.
In 1957, Ostman came forward and related the incident to journalist John Green, just before the humanoid tracks discovered in Bluff Creek, in northern California, propelled Bigfoot into popular awareness. “I Was Kidnapped by a Sasquatch,” the title of Green’s dead-serious newspaper story on Ostman’s encounter, appearing on the front page of the Agassiz-Harrison Advance, foreshadowed every chintzy supermarket-tabloid headline to ever appear on the subject.
Soon after Ostman’s tale came to light, another yarn, also reported to have occurred in 1924, resurfaced to take its rightful place in Sasqualogy’s annals of the unforgettable.
On July 13, 1924, the Oregonian, a Portland daily, reported that a group of five miners, prospecting on the southeastern slopes of Mount Saint Helens in Washington State, had been attacked in their cabin by a group of “Mountain Devils.” The story later came to be known as the “Ape Canyon incident,” named after the gorge where the attack took place and where gorilla-like creatures had been seen for as long as anyone could remember.
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The Oregonian, July 13, 1924. The article “Fight with Big Apes Reported by Miners” is on the far left.
Early Sasquatch investigators found and interviewed the last surviving member of that drama, Fred Beck, after digging up the old Oregonian article in the mid-1960s. Beck told them the assault on the cabin came in response to the prospectors’ firing on creatures that had been shadowing them in the woods for several days. The account of the cabin attack, which came in the dead of night and continued in unrelenting waves until daylight, is worthy of its own horror film. The mob of ape-men swarmed the outside of the cabin, banging on its door and walls, stomping on the roof, pelting it with rocks, and reaching in with their shaggy arms through gaps in the logs. The terrified miners barely kept the creatures at bay, firing their rifles at the walls and ceiling all night, until the attack finally came to an end with the rising sun. The Oregonian reported that the miners “were so upset by the incidents of the night, they left the cabin without making breakfast.” The forest ranger who was assigned to that district, and who claimed to have met the men as they were fleeing, later told investigators, in the 1960s, that he’d never seen grown men more frightened.
Stories like these fed my fascination when I was a child. What sets them apart from other Sasquatch tales is the drama, danger, and emotional tension built into them—and a narrative flamboyance that fires the imagination. Raising the emotional pitch, research shows, leads to gullibility and conditioning. But something fundamental to these tales is key to understanding every Sasquatch enthusiast’s fascination. These stories depict Bigfoots as quasi-human, intelligent, self-aware, and calculating. Even more, they insinuate a shadowy and almost forbidden parallel world, which the creatures inhabit.
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From Nicholas von Hoffman, “Tales of Monstrous Proportion,” Washington Post, August 25, 1976.
When I was a kid, there was no skepticism, no weighing of evidence, no sense of whether any of it jibed with reality. At no time while reading these stories did I find it strange that Ostman, in the account of his kidnapping, never said he felt fear or terror. Or that despite also having a gun in his sleeping bag, he didn’t attempt to shoot his way out. Or that the creatures that attacked Beck and his colleagues didn’t simply break through the cabin door, or ambush the men later during their retreat (or indeed why most Sasquatch encounters do not—as far as we know—end in violence or death). Nor would my opinion have changed had I known that in 1966, Beck, infected by the growing vogue of Eastern religious cults sweeping the Western world, had self-published a New Age manifesto entitled I Fought the Apemen of Mt. St. Helens, in which he claimed psychic powers, argued for the existence of UFOs, and alleged that his party made contact during their Ape Canyon trip with native spirit guides wearing buckskin.2
The Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, a science-minded organization of debunkers, has run articles in its flagship publication, Skeptical Inquirer, taking potshots at claims of the existence of Sasquatches. The idea the magazine espouses most frequently is that Bigfoots are often no more than misidentified bears.
“Mistaken identifications,” writes Joe Nickell, the author of one such piece, “could be due to poor viewing conditions, such as the creature being seen only briefly, or from a distance, in shadow or at nighttime, through foliage, or the like—especially while the observer is, naturally, excited.” The idea that Sasquatch is nothing more than a misidentified bear isn’t new. But this argument gained significant traction after the publication, in 2000, of My Quest for the Yeti, by Italian alpinist Reinhold Messner. The celebrated mountain virtuoso and explorer—known for the first solo ascent of Mount Everest without supplemental oxygen, in 1980—has spent his life exploring the Himalayan region. His conquest of all fourteen Himalayan peaks that top eight thousand meters, the highest on earth, has made him a legend among alpinists. After scaling every major summit in the area, the mountain-obsessed Italian turned his sights to a formidable new challenge: the mystery of the yeti.
In his book, Messner claims that he encountered a yeti in eastern Tibet in 1986. The incident took place in the evening, while he was on a solo expedition, tracing an old Sherpa route through a series of valleys. As he was trekking up a forested ravine, trying to reach a clearing above the tree line, Messner was startled by a fleet-footed, upright silhouette, which was stealthily darting back and forth between the trees. At first he thought he’d come across a yak and its owners, but the nature of its movements soon convinced him otherwise.
“It moved upright,” he writes. “It was as if my own shadow had been projected onto the thicket. For one heartbeat it stood motionless, then turned away and disappeared into the dusk.”
Messner then found large tracks going up the mountainside, before the same or a similar creature reappeared and now whistled angrily at him. This time Messner got a slightly better look at it: “Covered with hair, it stood upright on two short legs and had powerful arms that hung down almost to its knees. I guessed it to be over seven feet tall. Its body looked much heavier than that of a man that size, but it moved with such agility and power toward the edge of the escarpment that I was both startled and relieved. Mostly I was stunned. No human would have been able to run like that in the middle of the night.”
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Reinhold Messner, Pamirs, 1985. Photograph by Jaan Künnap.
After making inquiries with villagers, Messner discovered that he had encountered what locals referred to, fearfully, as a chemo—a creature comparable to the Nepalese yeti. Messner was fascinated. He decided to embark on a new mission to find and make sense of the mysterious animal.
After twelve long years of research and excursions with local guides in both Pakistan and Tibet, the alpinist concluded that the animal he had encountered in 1986 was not the yeti but none other than the rare and elusive Tibetan blue bear (thought to be a subspecies of brown bear). The bear’s mix of unusual qualities and behaviors matched those of the alleged man-beast:
1. The Tibetan bear often walks upright. When on all fours, it places its back foot into the print of its forepaw (as bears in North America occasionally do), causing the two tracks to merge into one humanoid-looking footprint.
2. It is nocturnally active.
3. Its vocalizations are high-pitched.
4. It is known to kill yaks with one blow of its paw (yak predation is another purported yeti pastime).
5. The Tibetan bear is red when young, becoming black when it grows into adulthood. So too is the yeti.3
To Messner, his discovery made absolute sense. The Tibetan blue bear was no regular bear. The animal was highly idiosyncratic, and when people were influenced by ignorance, fear, and superstition, it morphed into a beast of the imagination whose reputation spanned generations and continents.
“I hasten to add that this is an extraordinary animal—fearsome and preternaturally intelligent, as far as possible from the cuddly image people in the West sometimes have of bears,” he writes. “These animals are nearly impossible to track, and for all their reality they remain deeply enigmatic. They avoid all contact with humans and are partly bipedal, nocturnal omnivores.”
American conservationist Daniel C. Taylor, who lived and worked for much of his life in the Himalayas, spent sixty years meticulously researching the Yeti mystery, starting long before Messner and beginning as a wild-man enthusiast himself. After traveling in the region’s most remote valley systems and himself coming across a set of mysterious tracks, he concluded similarly that snow prints purported to be yeti impressions were made by Asiatic black bears and other local bear species. He demonstrated convincingly that the tracks, including an iconic set of prints photographed by explorer Eric Shipton on the Nepal-Tibet border in 1951 (photos that set off the worldwide yeti craze), were double impressions of a bear’s forepaws and hind paws. Taylor even managed to find a never-before-published photo of the Shipton tracks that shows claw marks in the snow—which are not seen in the famous photo.
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Alleged yeti footprint found by Michael Ward, Menlung Glacier, 1951. Photograph by Eric Shipton. From Gardner Soule, “The World’s Most Mysterious Footprints,” Popular Science, December 1952. Wikimedia Commons.
Since it’s assumed by most people that the yeti and the Sasquatch are generally the same creature, these bear theories have been taken up and applied wholesale to Bigfoot. Reinhold Messner himself personally led the charge. “Believe me,” the mountain climber declared in an interview with National Geographic Adventure magazine on the eve of his book’s publication in 2000. “Bigfoot is in reality the grizzly. Somebody will prove it like I proved the yeti story. It’s very logical, the whole thing.”
Even if Himalayan bear theories are correct, which I suspect they are, the Himalayas are not the Pacific Northwest. The grizzly bear is not the Tibetan bear. And amorphous impressions in the snow are not the same as detailed humanoid tracks in dirt or mud. Time and again in my discussions with eyewitnesses in the Great Bear Rainforest, I am told in no uncertain terms: We live with bears. They are our relatives. We know how they look and act. Believe me: what I saw was no bear.
One of the more frequently brandished and more convincing arguments for the existence of Sasquatch is its apparent presence in North American aboriginal folklore. More than a few indigenous communities, particularly in the Pacific Northwest, allege that Bigfoot-type creatures do exist and can cite names and descriptions for them in their own traditions. For proponents of the Sasquatch, this is almost tantamount to hard proof; if such a species exists, it would have been known to local inhabitants before European colonization. When early Bigfoot researchers managed to get past walls of secrecy and reticence, they were told by indigenous people that the creatures were greatly feared and respected. Some cast them as cannibal spirits. Others described them as thief-like, preying on women and children. In most depictions, the animals were said to have special powers, including the ability to hypnotize, induce insanity, and cause physical harm. The power to shape-shift or transform into other creatures, many said, is what accounted for their elusiveness. These sorts of cultural beliefs were often of secondary importance to conventional Bigfoot investigators, who were—and still are—more interested in confirming the apelike qualities of the animal, as evinced in some indigenous carvings, masks, and dances.
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Bear, by Louise Goodman, 1990. Smithsonian American Art Museum, Gift of Chuck and Jan Rosenak and museum purchase made possible by Mrs. Gibson Fahnestock.
There are many permutations of indigenous wild-man beings along the North American west coast. The Sasquatch, of course—its name derived from a Coast Salish word, Sasq’ets, meaning “wild man”—is the most famous. Among the Heiltsuk, the creatures are known as Thla’thla.5 In folklore, the Thla’thla is depicted as a large, hair-covered, forest-dwelling supernatural humanoid. Stories usually cast it as female. Its trademark quality is a penchant for abducting and eating children. It carries a large basket on its back with an inwardly spiked lid in which to stash abductees and transport them back to its lair. Parents often used the stories of the Thla’thla to prod or frighten their children into obedience.
For a long time, like many Sasquatch enthusiasts, I’d taken it for granted that any humanoid or bogeyman-type creature that is part of an indigenous group’s pantheon of supernatural beings must be the same as what people today call Bigfoot, since some, like Thla’thla and Sasq’ets, seem to fit the bill.
A few of the beings nowadays equated with the Sasquatch are the Gagiit of the Haida, a human who has succumbed to fatigue, cold, or hunger to become a ghostly wilderness dweller; the Kooshdaa Khaa of the Tlingit, who is likened to a land-dwelling otter and is believed to be the embodiment of a drowned or lost relative; and the wendigo of Algonquian-speaking peoples—a troublemaking spirit of the woods that can possess people and cause them to perpetrate acts of insatiable greed, murder, and cannibalism.
There may be something to these linkages with Sasquatch. After all, much indigenous oral history and traditional knowledge has been shown to be accurate—long antedating the same scientific or academic “discoveries.” But is it possible that the Sasquatch—simply one indigenous version of the wild man, whose name was Anglicized by nonindigenous people—has become so prominent and universal a story in its own right that it has come to be mixed up with and grafted onto other unique aboriginal traditions? Could the deluge of media coverage and the long-standing pop-cultural aspects of the Sasquatch story have influenced some indigenous people, and also Sasqualogists, to see more of “Bigfoot” in some supernatural beings than is actually there? Several such creatures don’t overlap much with Bigfoot apart from being humanoid or semi-humanoid.
Muddying the waters is the fact that common forest creatures are, in certain native stories, imbued with human qualities. Some can transform themselves into humans. The idea of a creature that bridges the human and animal spheres is in a sense commonplace.
1 Mount Saint Helens, an active volcano in the Cascade Range in Washington, has long been considered an important node of Sasquatch activity. When the mountain erupted cataclysmically in 1980, much of its northern face was obliterated. Apocryphal stories emerged afterward that U.S. Army helicopters venturing into the disaster zone were airlifting out Sasquatch corpses to undisclosed military facilities. ↩
2 Somewhat to his credit, Beck wrote in his manifesto: “No one will ever capture one, and no one will ever kill one…These questions cannot be answered by expeditions. It can only come by man knowing more about his true self and more about the universe in which he dwells.” ↩
3 Messner’s thesis was even backed by Ernst Schäfer, the German zoologist, hunter, and erstwhile Nazi SS officer who spent much of the 1930s in the Himalayas at Heinrich Himmler’s behest, looking for evidence of a proto-Aryan race of giants. Schäfer told Messner that he too was convinced the Yeti was no more than the Tibetan bear, two of which he had shot and brought back to Berlin as specimens. Schäfer added that he kept his Tibetan bear thesis to himself out of fear of being executed by the Nazis, since it contradicted notions at the time that Yetis were Aryan ancestors. See Ted Chamberlain, “Reinhold Messner: Climbing Legend, Yeti Hunter,” National Geographic Adventure, May–June 2000. ↩
4 One Nisga’a First Nation carving from the Nass River valley of northern British Columbia, made in 1914, is widely recognized by Sasqualogists for its monkey-like appearance, with high brow, deep-set eyes, and thin lips located far below a flat nose. Aboriginal stone carvings of heads found in the Columbia River basin in the United States have a similar primate-like appearance. ↩
5 To pronounce Thla’thla, place your tongue where your front teeth and inner gum line meet and speak the word through your cheeks. Interestingly, the name Thla’thla has the same root as the Heiltsuk word for strength or power. ↩
Excerpted from In the Valleys of the Noble Beyond: In Search of the Sasquatch copyright © 2019 by John Zada. Reprinted with the permission of the publisher, Atlantic Monthly Press, an imprint of Grove Atlantic, Inc. All rights reserved.
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In reply to: The Relict Hominoid Inquirey Dr. Meldrum
Meldrum to give Bigfoot presentation in Montpelier
Sasquatch on the Oregon/California Trail
By Jeff Meldrum
For The Journal
The European immigrants who embarked on trails westward were filled with anticipation, and perhaps some trepidation, concerning the marvels and wonders of a new frontier. Early explorers and trappers had related accounts of mountain devils, denizens of the forests. Lewis and Clark wrote in their journals of passing over mountains said to be inhabited by fierce giants, more akin to bears than people, known as the “people who wear no moccasins.” These giants dwelt in caves and among the rocky crags “feeding on roots and the flesh of such horses they could take or steal from those who passed through their territory.” In his narrative, “The Wilderness Explorer,” Teddy Roosevelt relates the account of a deadly encounter by two fur trappers with a mountain devil in the Bitteroot Range of Idaho.
In the mid-1800s, Bauman, a German-born trapper, and his partner shot at a menacing giant hair-covered creature that stood upright and walked on two feet, leaving enormous human-like tracks. In the aftermath Bauman’s partner was killed and Bauman fled the area with little else but his harrowing tale. In 1847, artist Paul Kane was in what is now Washington state, in sight of the Mount St. Helens volcano, which he said the Indians asserted was “inhabited by a race of beings of a different species, who are cannibals, and whom they hold in great dread.” The Indians called these creatures “skoocooms” or “evil genii.” To this day maps of the Pacific and Intermountain West are sprinkled with place names such as Devil Mountain and Skookum Lake.
During the epoch years of the Oregon Trail (1846-1869), European immigrants to the West had limited knowledge of living great apes or extinct human ancestors (hominins). A century earlier, Linnaeus had established the Anthropomorpha, or man-like creatures, based largely on tales of travelors returning from the far corners of the Old World. These early depictions are largely recognizable as members of the known great apes and monkeys, including the orangutan and chimpanzee. A specimen of juvenile chimpanzee had been dissected and described by Tyson in 1699. He called it a “pygmie” – something intermediate between man and monkey. These were the missing links in creation’s great chain of being, additional rungs in the scale of nature. The gorilla was later discovered by westerners only in 1847. Thomas Savage, a physician and missionary, described the first gorilla to an incredulous scientific community on the basis of a specimen (skull and skeleton) that is now in the Museum of Comparative Zoology at Harvard. Explorer Paul du Chaillu was the first westerner to see a live gorilla during his travels through equatorial Africa from 1856 to 1859. He brought dead specimens to the UK in 1861. It would be nearly a half century later before the mountain gorilla was identified.
Likewise the western exodus of American pioneers predated notions of ape-like human ancestors. The first fossils of extinct hominins were those of the neandertals, discovered in the Feldhofer Cave in the limestone cliffs of the Neander Valley of Germany in 1856. Shortly thereafter, a similar archaic looking skull was found on the Island of Gibraltar. However, their age and distinctions were not recognized until several decades later. Charles Darwin’s, “The Descent of Man,” in which human evolution by means of natural selection was proposed, was first published in 1871. Therefore, notions of missing links or the nature and appearance of hominin ancestors were far from common knowledge to the typical pioneers.
However, European tradition and folklore regarding wildmen was deep rooted. The wildman was the incarnation of humanity’s uncivilized baser qualities. The “wildman of the woods” (archaically “woodwose” or “wodewose”) appears frequently in the artwork and literature of medieval Europe, especially in the 11th and 12th centuries. The medieval wildman may have its predecessor in the satyr or faun of classical mythology and in Silvanus, the Roman god of the woodlands. The wildman is a human-like figure, its body entirely covered in hair, save its hands, feet and face. It often wields a primitive club.
As the European population of a growing America pressed westward into the wilderness of Appalachia, encounters with strange wildmen, interpreted in terms of their European traditions, were recounted by the press. For example, The Adams Sentinal in Gettysburg Pennsylvannia, dated June 2, 1851, reported on a “Wild Man of The Woods” haunting the backwoods of Arkansas. “He was of gigantic stature, the body being covered with hair, and the head with long locks that enveloped his head and shoulders.” The wildman “ran away with great speed, leaping from twelve to fourteen feet at a time. His footprints measured thirteen inches each.” The article mentions that similar encounters had occurred over the previous 17 years in the region.
One of the earliest newspaper accounts of a wild man in the Intermountain West comes from Idaho, at historic Chesterfield. Here’s the story:
IDAHO HAS A BOOGIE MAN
Eight Feet High, Carries a Club
and Yells Like a ComancheSalt Lake, Utah, 27 Jan. 1902 — According to the Pocatello, Idaho, correspondent of the Deseret News, the residents of the little town of Chesterfield, located in an isolated portion of Bannock County, Idaho, are greatly excited over the appearance in that vicinity of an eight-foot, hair-covered human monster. He was first seen on January 14, when he appeared among a party of young people who were skating on the Porntneuf River, near John Gooch’s ranch. The creature showed fight and flourished a large club and uttering a series of yells started to attack the skaters, who managed to reach their wagons and got away in safety. Measurements of the tracks showed the creature’s feet to be 16 inches long and seven inches broad, with the imprint of only four toes. Stockmen reported having seen similar tracks along the range west of the river. The people in the neighborhood, feeling unsafe while the creature is at large, have sent 20 men on its trail to effect its capture.
Naturally, the indigenous population has long been acquainted with the presence of these creatures. Just to the south of the Oregon Trail in Nevada lies a mountain-flanked canyon – the Jarbidge. The name Jarbidge (pronounced Ja-ha-bich) is said to translate from the Shoshone language to “monster that lurks in the canyon” or “weird beastly creature.” According to legend, Shoshone braves chased the cannibalistic creature into a cave in the present Jarbidge Canyon and blocked its escape with rocks and boulders. Another source says the Shoshone word, “Tsawhawbitts,” meaning “man-eating giant” is the root of the name Jarbidge. Yet another source say Jarbidge stems from the Nez Perce Indian word “Jahabich,” which means “devil.” It referred to the nearby mountains, which they believed to be haunted by an evil giant.
Ancient tribal artists of the Intermountain West were not overt in their depiction of these creatures, but cryptic petroglyphs from the red sandstone cliffs of Wyoming to the basalt columns of the Snake River Plain depict footprints and caricatures of the wildman of the woods. Modern tribal artists, such as Willie Preacher of Fort Hall, depict traditional stories with oil and canvas.
Once the pioneers arrived in Oregon’s verdant Willamette Valley flanked by the Cascade and Coastal ranges, or the mountain-surrounded gold fields of northern California, they would hear more stories of mountain devils and giant hairy man-like monsters. It would be a century later before footprint casts and films and photos would introduce the world to the Pacific Northwest’s wildman of the woods – Bigfoot or sasquatch; yet an additional half century before science would begin to consider the evidence seriously.
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Sorry to me this is a bunch of 60’s hippie pipe dreams. We’re always hearing about ‘natives’ and how they have this reverence for Sasquatch. Well that’s not the whole story now is it? The Choctaw war with them in 1855, the LaFlore incident. In Alaska, where the town of Portlock that was abandoned around 1949 due to the ‘nantiinaq’ or big hairy men. Plus the killings and mutilations there. Then there is the story of one Albert Petka in Nulato, Alaska who related how he was attacked by a ‘bushman’ only to die of his injuries. They are also called the ‘stealers of men’. The Bauman incident and so on. There are many other stories on their violet behavior. I really don’t think they wanna sit around, hold hand and sing cum-ba-ya with us. I don’t believe they want anything to do with us. Why should they? I’m not saying they are bad or evil. They just are. Like a bear, lion or tiger is. They are the consummate woodsmen.
In reply to: Made a video on the Kentucky animal murders!
Lest I seem hard on all the weekend warriors like myself, we should remember Muchalat Harry and Baumann, who were familiar with rough living and made a living at it. They met Sasquatch and were fortunate enough to survive the encounters, but all their knowledge had no reference for “hairy man-thing” in it. How many others may have encountered an overly curious, hungry, or annoyed Bigfoot at the wrong time without possibility of help? Like other people who perished from more mundane means, their bones will moulder far from home, and likely never be found.
In reply to: Sasquatch vs Gorilla
It’s all semantics. “Officially Documented,” is a weasel word meant to create reasonably untruth into truth without changing the outcome wouldn’t you agree?
A missionary writing in his journal wouldn’t qualify under the term official document or a written dispatch by some explorer sent to North America who then takes the report to Europe where it is presented to some King.
We view things through the lens of time in history in which we live without considering there were no agencies to report such matters in the late 1700’s or early to mid 1800’s.
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1858 Spring Bitterroot Mountains- Idaho-Montana Border
“Trapper Murdered by Monster in Mountains A trapper named Bauman emerged from the wilderness today in a great state of anguish over the horrifying death of his friend and trapping partner.”“After setting up their camp, they went to place traps. Upon return to their campsite, they were surprised to find it in total disarray, with all their belongings scattered about, and their lean-to destroyed. Footprints were seen in the area that were taken to be those of a bear. However, upon closer examination it appeared that the bear had walked on only two legs.”
“He then saw a gigantic black form at the entrance to their lean-to. He grabbed his rifle and fired at the hulk, which immediately rushed off into the night. Although both men were unnerved by this occurrence, they proceeded to check their traps the next day.”
“When they returned to their campsite, it had again been torn apart. Likewise, footprints were found of something walking on two legs. They spent an uneasy night huddled by a roaring fire. The sounds of branches cracking, and at one point a long-drawn sinister moan, added to their fears. In the morning, they decided to leave the area as soon as possible.”
“Bauman went to fetch the last traps, while his partner returned to the campsite to ready the packs for the return journey. Bauman found three beavers in the remaining traps and took several hours in securing and preparing them. When he arrived back at the campsite, he saw all the packs neatly arranged, but could not see his friend.”
“He called out, but received no answer. He then saw his friend stretched out by the trunk of a fallen tree. Bauman rushed over to his side, and to his horror his friend was dead. A broken neck and four great fang marks in his throat showed that he had been murdered. Large footprints like those previously seen were deeply imbedded in the soft soil.”
“Bauman personally related this story to Theodore Roosevelt in the late 1800s. Roosevelt was hunting in the Bitterroot Mountains at the time.”
“He went on to become President of the United States. The story is recognized as the first major publication of a sasquatch or bigfoot incident.”
Source: Theodore Roosevelt, 1892. The Wilderness Hunter, Outdoor Pastimes of an American Hunter. G.P. Putnam’s Sons. Photo: Public domain)
1. Willow Creek (2014), a gift from Bobcat Goldthwait to all
Bigfoot enthusiasts. The hopelessness of the two main characters at the climax is chillingly realistic and gut-wrenching.2. Sasquatch: The Legend of Bigfoot (1976), great docudrama and still the best reenactment of the Baumann tale and the Ape Canyon incident.
3. Exists (2014), truly terrifying and creepy film from the progenitor of the found footage genre.
4. Night of the Demon (1980). True savage Sasquatch exploitation flick delivers the graphic goods!!
5. Mysterious Monsters (1975), still the best Bigfoot documentary! Holds up well even 40 years after its release.
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@knobby: Thanks. I spent some time looking for the BBC report but didn’t find it. I looked at the Associated Press and the BBC & Telegraph etc., and did not find Baumann’s story. Do you have a link to the British News report that said he was dismembered?
In reply to: What's your favorite episode?
Sasquatch Chronicles forum site.
-Tracy G’s Encounter –
-The Paramedics Encounter
– Bauman encounter of the mid to late Victorian era –
– William Roe’s close Encounter – great detail – a – October of 1955 A.D. – Sworn Affidavit encounter -/ William Roe’s close Encounter / Observation / Contact with Female Sasquatch.
On BFRO reported encounters data site-
Wooley Creek Encounter – a 1989 – August 3, is a BFRO – case – ( Class A Report) :– The Wooley Creek Encounter – up close frightening encounter of a female solo Backpacker’ a (FSE) Forest Service Employee on her time off, decided to trek from Etna along the Pacific Coast Trail, then cut south
-south west following the Boulder strewn Wooley Creek drainage through very rugged terrain to Salmon Creek.(as an ex – Winter Summer Mountain Soloist it takes huge Berries to trek into very remote and extremely rugged terrain areas and many times you’re already committed even with a Topo map, always finding a land slide, and avalanche slide, a too swollen creek now a raging torrent river, and deviating from your set and informed course means you’re putting yourself off the grid in the dark and that is extreme solo that most will not commit too. –Wilderness area are just that.
And with a huge human scent print, be you a Man or a Woman, you are noticed by many animals by their Rhinarium nose, especially large Predators, ground living or Birds or Prey. A Silver tip Grizzly can pin your location down, a fresh blood source or game kill or birthing of a game animal from 18 miles away, and pin the direction. The moist ‘Rhinarium nose is pushed up; this cools the finer scent Identification and direction of.
-But she found it far to rugged and physically demanding), upon her return trek the young woman chose a high ledge above a snow melt brook to lay her sleeping bag for the night. Far, away were heard the screams and approaching, the creature came right for the cliff face, and Dynoded’ it effortlessly a class five feat.
-Stood at top as her scent was in the air, she then lay still down in her urine soaked sleeping bag’ too frightened to even breathe. Packing trip done and over, she made record time getting out of those mountains. And Human companionship is very welcomed after an encounter while alone I am very sure of that.
In reply to: Some Corroboration for "The Insider"
Pertaining to Nicolas B post #71028
I have seen only one video where the creature does have predominant Negros characteristics. So that very well could be plausible Nicolas although they were in North America and upon other Continents of the world, Sasquatch is not North American exclusive. However, it is land locked with the exception of some do travel by swimming short distances to nearby islands as to the Elephants and tigers do. We have seen Sasquatch or perhaps some learned and experience few are excellent underwater swimmers as reported upon the Alaskan Aleutian Islands
I am sure there are other races of humans that were abducted raped and had surviving offspring like Russia’s Zana. The one I saw, I believe was filmed in Texas, very tall, very long arms and a huge prominent jaw with huge protruding lips, a very large brow crest and at first glance I thought he was an very hungry looking African American Southern Gentleman but then realized he had almost impossible proportion.
◄►Global Sasquatch Encounters ►Time Line ◄►
Ape like Monsters –
►840 C.E. – Sightings of monstrous apelike creatures lurking in the darkness of forests and mountainous regions of the world have been reported since the middle Ages. In 840 C.E., Agobard, the Archbishop of Lyons, told of three such demons, “giant people of the forest and mountains,” who were stoned to death after being displayed in chains for several days.
►986 AD. Recorded by Leif Ericson and his men. During their first landing in the New World, the Norsemen wrote about manlike beasts that were “horribly ugly, hairy, swarthy and with great black eyes.”
Among his accounts, Leif told of seeing hairy men who towered over him and his men. The: huge hairy men”, according to Leif, lived in the Woods and had a rank odor and a deafening shriek. It should be noted that Leif Ericson and his men describe huge man – like beasts that were loud and foul – smelling and clearly distinct from native peoples. Apparently, Leif had several sightings of the “huge hairy men” before departing the Island.
They called the Creature “Skellring”. People believe that the creature “Skellring” is what we know today as Bigfoot.
►1000 A.D. ◄► first reported Sasquatch Encounter were the Events of attacks and harassment of Viking explorer Leif Erikson While Leif Erikson and his crewmen explored The East coast of Canada’s Newfoundland Island. Which was around – – 1000 A.D. (ish). ◄
►1205 A.D. – June – England – In his Chronicles, Abbot Ralph of Coggeshall Abbey, Essex, England, wrote of a “strange monster” whose charred body had been found after a lightning storm on the night of St. John the Baptist in June 1205. He stated that a terrible stench came from the beast with “monstrous limbs.”
Villagers of the Caucaus Mountains – have legends of an apelike “Wildman” going back for centuries. The same may be said of the Tibetans living on the slopes of Mt. Everest and the Native American tribes inhabiting the northwestern United States. The Gilyaks, a remote tribe of [Siberian Native people, claim that ‘there are animals inhabiting the forests of Siberia’ ◄►that have human feelings and travel in family units.◄].
Based on the eyewitness descriptions of hundreds of reliable individuals around the world who have encountered these creatures, it would seem that the creatures are more humanlike than apelike or bearlike. For one thing, these giants are repeatedly humanlike footprints.
► 1427 A.D. Central Mongolia ► Early in the fifteenth century, Hans Schiltenbeger was captured by the Turks and sent to the court of Tamerlane, who placed him in the retinue of a Mongol prince named Egidi. After returning to Europe in 1427, Schiltenberger wrote about his experiences. In his book, he describes some mountains, apparently the Tien Shan range in Mongolia: ►
► “The inhabitants say that beyond the mountains is the beginning of a wasteland which lies at the edge of the earth. No one can survive there because the desert is populated by so many snakes and tigers. In the mountains they live wild people, who have nothing in common with other human beings. A pelt covers the entire body of these man creatures. Only the hands and face are free of hair.”
► “They run around in the hills like animals and eat foliage and grass and whatever else they can find. The lord of the territory made Egidi a present of a couple of forest people, a man and a woman. They had been caught in the wilderness, together with three untamed horses the size of assess and all sorts of other animals which are not found in German lands and which I cannot therefore put a name to.” (Myra Shackley, Still Living: ► Yeti, Sasquatch and the Neanderthal Enigma, Page 93.).
If there is too be the mention of Bigfoot in California, then we need to go way back in Recorded History, in Southern California. To the year of 1769.
►1769 – “Huge, scary, aggressive, fast, and threatening’. These terms are used to describe several Bigfoot – like creatures said to inhabit the desert regions of southern California. These mysterious giant apes go by many different names, The Borrego Sandman, the Speedway Monster, Zombies, Devils, and the Yucca Man. They have been seen in the Indo Mountains, in Death Valley, and in the Mohave Desert.It may come to the surprise of those who follow stories about Bigfoot and other mysterious creatures that the first report of these creatures by European settlers did not come from the East Coast, Midwest, or even the Pacific Northwest. It actually came from Southern California. In the year 1769, the Spanish priests founded the first mission in San Diego. Where roamed Black Bear, Mule Deer, Coyotes, and Puma [mountain lion or Cougar]. Smaller animals include raccoon, opossum, skunk, and bobcats. Golden Bald Eagles, California Condors, and hawks were common.
As well as Rattlesnakes, Mohave Green Snakes, who’s venom is even far more deadly of a poison than that of the Rattlesnakes. Local Gabrieleno Indians told the padres about “harry Devils” that lived nearby. In fact according to written accounts, the Indians lived in fear of these large, foul – smelling, “wild – men” and refused to go anywhere near their reported home called “towis puki” [camp of the Devil] on the southern bank of the Santa Ana River. The area of “Dead – mans Hole” near Holcomb Village, just west of the Anza – Borrego Desert State Park was a water stop on the old stagecoach lines during the mid to late 1800s, and is the reported site of several alleged murders blamed of Bigfoot. In 1876, one of the stagecoach passengers who ventured out of the safety of the stagecoach while the team of horses stopped to take a drink of water from the natural spring, reported seeing a large, naked, hairy “thing” watching him from behind some scruff. After that, several people met their demise at the site, either strangled to death or beaten to death by an unknown person of “Thing”. They blamed the monster of course, regardless of the fact on if it actually killed them or not.
►1800s’ – An area between what is now [2015] the towns of LaVerne and Pomona, near Fontana – was known to local Indians as “Toybipet” [“devil woman who was there”] the reported hunting ground of a female Bigfoot.
►1810 A.D. The Caucasus Region ► ZANA ◄► we shall now consider reports about the Almas [Sasquatches] from the Caucasus region. According to testimony from villagers of Tkhina, on the Mokvi River a female Almas was captured there during the nineteenth century, in the forest of Mount. Zaadan.
► for three years, she was kept imprisoned, but then became domesticated and was allowed to live in a house. She was called Zana. Shackley [1983. 112], states: ◄► “Her skin was a grayish – black color, covered with reddish hair, longer on her head than elsewhere. She was capable of inarticulate cries but never developed a language. She had a large face with big cheek bones, muzzle – like prognathous jaw and large eyebrows, big white teeth and a fierce expression.”
► Eventually Zana, through sexual relations with a villager, had children. Some of Zana’s grandchildren were seen by Boris Porshnev in 1964. In her account of Porshnev’s investigation, British Anthropologist Myra Shackley [1983, Page 113] noted: ► “The grandchildren, Chalikoua and Taia, had darkish skin of rather Negroid appearance, with very prominent chin structure.”
►Other references upon ►Zana ► In the 2013 Channel 4 documentary, Bigfoot Files, Professor Bryan Sykes of the University of Oxford showed that Zana’s DNA was 100% Sub – Saharan African in origin (Professor Bryan Sykes speculates) Zana could have been a slave brought to Abkhazia by the Ottoman Empire. Professor Sykes did however raise questions as to whether Zana could have been from a population of Africans who left the continent of Africa tens of thousands of years earlier as her son, Khwit’s skull had some very unique and archaic characteristics.
►1811 A.D. ◄►► Bigfoot Sightings: Alberta River, Jasper, Alberta Canada ► On January 7, 1811, David Thompson, a surveyor and trader for the North West Company, spotted large, well defined footprints in the snow near Athabasca River, Jasper, Alberta, while attempting to cross the North American Canadian Rocky Mountains. The Sasquatch tracks measured 14 inches in length and 8 inches in width. ◄►► the first major explorer to see something unusual was David Thompson (1770 – 1857). Thompson was a cartographer and trekked all over Canada making maps. He saw large, unusual, four – toed clawed footprints near what is now ‘Jasper’, Alberta. I think four toes might be justified as something the little toe may not make enough of an impression to be noticed. However, I have difficulty with the claws with regard to Sasquatch. Whatever the case, his Native guides insisted that the tracks were not made by a bear. Thompson does not state that the tracks indicated a creature with two or four legs, but if it were the later, then I don’t think he would have been so intrigued with the tracks.
► 1820 A.D. (Springwood, Queensland, Australia, East coast just west of Gold Coast, Australia.) 1820. (The Blue Mountains, which covers an area of some 10,300 square kilometers. [3,976.85 Square miles]. Were first crossed in 1813 by explorers Blaxland, Wentworth and Lawson. Not long after that crossing, reports began of ‘hairy ape – like creatures terrorizing pioneers following in the footsteps of those first explorers. These reports were no surprise to the local Aborigines, who believed the hairy man inhabited the entire Blue Mountain region.
Some of the earliest settlers’ stories date to around 1820. One such report involves a soldier of Governor Macquarie’s regiment.
While hunting in the vicinity of what is today Springwood, it was said that the soldier came across an “ape – like animal” that approached him from out of the trees. The unknown creature made threatening gestures, whereupon the soldier reportedly shot the unknown animal dead.
►1820 A.D. (Newnes Valley, Australia 1820) A pioneering family reported that a “Hairy – Man” (Yowie) approached their bark hut, peering inside through a window and then dashed back off into the Wild Bush.
►1820 A.D. (Pagoda Rocks country, Australia) [A Human abduction by a female Yowie] A report in the Pagoda Rocks country, Australia in 1820, involves a 7 foot tall female Yowie clad in a primitive crude marsupial skinned garment. According to the report, the Hairy Woman abducted seven year old Adam Firth from a creek bank near a pioneering family’s farmhouse. Adam later claimed that he was carried off by the hair creature and kept captive in a large Rock overhang where she tempted him with a kangaroo leg she cooked over a smoldering fire. He said that he could hear other creatures rustling in the bushes nearby. He escaped captivity after the Hairy Yowie woman bolted into the bush upon hearing the cries of his family and all of these barking dogs coming to find him.
►1824 A.D. ◄► The Bauman Encounter ~ Sasquatch attacks and Decapitates Bauman the fur trappers fur trapping Partner! ◄►Bauman Event happened 1820s’ to 1880s’ in the Rugged Bitterroot Mountains of Idaho Territory , as Idaho had not yet become a State of the U.S.A. until, July 3rd 1890) ‘The Bauman Encounter (of the Sixth Kind / death) Theodore Roosevelt’s written and published ‘Tale of the Bauman Sasquatch Encounter’. ◄
►1826 A.D. ◄►►The Mountain Katodin Maine Incident ◄► 1800s’ Mayhem ~ Ripped into pieces and half eaten scattered remains, Decapitations ~ The fur trapper was thrown 18 feet high up and bashed upon the massive conifer trees ◄►Sasquatch is murderous, cannibalistic, every territorial, adulterous, and mean as all hell. ◄
►1829 A.D. ◄► 1829 Okefenokee Swamp Massacre ◄►Five hunters who went into the swampland and camped upon an isolated Island were attacked and savagely decapitated and broken up by infuriated Sasquatch / by Primal Skunk –Ape Creature ◄
►1837 A.D. ◄►The State of Texas – Navidad, Texas –
There has been a long history of sightings in the State of Texas. One of the first in the history books is a strange case of the “The Wild Woman of the Navidad”. This is a story that was recounted in the Legends of Texas published by the Texas Folklore Society [in 1924].
The creature was described as covered in short brown hair and was very fast. She eluded capture because the horses were so afraid of the strange creature that they could not be urged within reach of the lasso. These events occurred in 1837 in the Texas settlements of the lower Navidad. Mysterious barefoot tracks were seen frequently in the area. ►There are Native American legends dating back hundreds of years that describe tribes of giants that were hair – covered and lived in the woods.◄.
►1840 A.D. ◄► Paul Kane reported stories by the local Native American Indians about the skoocooms: A race of cannibalistic Wild Men (Sasquatch) living on the peak of Mount Saint Helens. The Skoocooms appear to have been regarded as supernatural, rather than natural. (This may be due to that Sasquatch they are mostly nocturnal hunters, raiders, gatherers, but by all means they are Cannibalistic, stilling away children abducted from their family lodges and tee -pees). The Protestant missionary ‘Reverend Elkanah Walker’ recorded in 1840 – which he was told stories of Giants among the Native Americans living in Spokane, Washington. The Spokane Indians claimed that the Giant Harry Indians (Sasquatch) lived on and around the peaks of the nearby mountains and stole salmon from the fishing nets within the Spokane and Columbia Rivers. ◄
►1846 A.D. A Sasquatch encounter along the Arkansas, Missouri line – One of the earliest pre – Civil War accounts was published in Scientific American in March of 1846. The publication announced the discovery of a Monstrous Wild Man Beast in the swamps in the vicinity of the Arkansas – Missouri State Lines. Its footprint measured 22 inches in length with toes “as long as a common man’s fingers.” (Mangiacpra and Smith)
► March 26th – 27th 1847 A.D. ◄► Paul Kane (1810 – 1871). Kane was an artist and walked all over North America sketching Native people and scenery. His artwork is beyond astounding, and his book, “The Wild Woman of the Navidad”. This is a story that was recounted in the Legends of Texas published by the Texas Folklore Society [in 1924].
The creature was described as covered in short brown hair and was very fast. She eluded capture because the horses were so afraid of the strange creature that they could not be urged within reach of the lasso. These events occurred in 1837 in the Texas settlements of the lower Navidad. Mysterious barefoot tracks were seen frequently in the area. ►There are Native American legends dating back hundreds of years that describe tribes of giants that were hair – covered and lived in the woods.◄.
►1840 A.D. ◄► Paul Kane reported stories by the local Native American Indians about the skoocooms: A race of cannibalistic Wild Men (Sasquatch) living on the peak of Mount Saint Helens. The Skoocooms appear to have been regarded as supernatural, rather than natural. (This may be due to that Sasquatch they are mostly nocturnal hunters, raiders, gatherers, but by all means they are Cannibalistic, stilling away children abducted from their family lodges and tee -pees). The Protestant missionary ‘Reverend Elkanah Walker’ recorded in 1840 – which he was told stories of Giants among the Native Americans living in Spokane, Washington. The Spokane Indians claimed that the Giant Harry Indians (Sasquatch) lived on and around the peaks of the nearby mountains and stole salmon from the fishing nets within the Spokane and Columbia Rivers. ◄
►1846 A.D. A Sasquatch encounter along the Arkansas, Missouri line – One of the earliest pre – Civil War accounts was published in Scientific American in March of 1846. The publication announced the discovery of a Monstrous Wild Man Beast in the swamps in the vicinity of the Arkansas – Missouri State Lines. Its footprint measured 22 inches in length with toes “as long as a common man’s fingers.” (Mangiacpra and Smith)
►1850 A.D. Texas Ranger Nelson Lee –I do need to give credit do to those who I have gathered some of this Information from such as from what Member Chris224 has posted of the early explorers. . Thank You.
