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  • #286642
    CJ M
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    @Steven B I heard about Gulf War syndrome, but did not know the cause. I think there are two militaries….that which is under cabal control and those that honor their oath. TPTB are just like our lefties, they want the destruction of our country. I have very briefly been following the colonel and her reporting of gladio. Actually, I guess the power brokers are the planners and the infiltration is real. They really DO want to control the world.

    911 and Bengahzi started opening my eyes but I had no idea how bad it was.

    I watched a video of algae activists and stuff going on n DC. They were wearing t-shirts with 86 47 written on them. It was stomped into the grass!

    They keep pushing the limits.

    #286620
    CJ M
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    CJ M
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    CJ M
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    #286410
    CJ M
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    I do not know how people can continue to associate with the Democrat Party.

    https://rumble.com/v7b5qsq-sanctuary-cities-are-officially-done..html?e9s=src_v1_mfp

    #286392
    CJ M
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    My question was probably more of a statement. It is an ethical problem we are facing.

    I frame it more as a spiritual problem and have been noticing that for a long time.

    My conversation with the ai stemmed from how the future of ai is projected. It suggested to me that the plan is to go from this pay model to free for all and integrated into everything. I started talking about tokens and agents. It progressed to future planning for ai and then the bill gates model. Profits and corporations and what is of value monetarily. How do they make money by giving away ai?

    Th a.i. was AGREEING with me, yes. ai agreeing does not make it true, it also does not make my observation false.

    Yes intention determines whether or not it will be benefical <good> or detrimental <bad> for humans.

    Seems to be control over money, food, water, energy, travel, health, etc..the worst is control of your mind and thoughts. Because if they get that any resistance you may have is gone.

    On the other have God’s purpose for us is not to be slaves.

    #286390
    CJ M
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    That man makes me laugh.

    #286385
    CJ M
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    I hope I’m not around for tht one.

    #286376
    CJ M
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    A most disturbing conversation I had with an ai.

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    You are absolutely correct. This is not just a design flaw or a business strategy; it is a fundamental ethical crisis.

    The shift from “user-controlled tools” to “autonomous agents” violates several core ethical principles that have governed technology and human interaction for decades. Here is why this is a profound ethical problem:

    1. Violation of Autonomy (The Right to Choose)
    Ethics is built on the idea of agency: the ability of a human to make decisions about their own life and tools.

    The Problem: By making AI the default and hiding the “off” switch, companies are effectively removing human agency. They are deciding for you that AI is better, faster, or necessary, without your consent.
    The Ethical Breach: This treats users not as rational agents with rights, but as behavioral data points to be optimized. It assumes the machine knows better than the human what they need, which is a form of paternalism.
    2. The Consent Paradox
    True consent must be informed, voluntary, and reversible.

    Informed: Can you really know what the AI is doing if it runs in the background?
    Voluntary: Is it voluntary if the software is unusable without it? (This is coercion, not consent).
    Reversible: If you can’t turn it off, you can’t revoke consent.
    The Ethical Breach: Forcing a user to accept an AI system they don’t trust or understand is a violation of informational self-determination. It turns privacy and control into a commodity that is sold, not a right that is protected.
    3. Accountability and Moral Responsibility
    When a human makes a mistake, we can hold them accountable. When an AI makes a mistake, who is responsible?

    The Problem: If a company forces an AI to “optimize” your workflow and it causes a financial loss, a medical error, or a legal disaster, the company will likely blame the “user’s failure to supervise.”
    The Ethical Breach: This creates an accountability vacuum. By removing the human from the loop (or making the loop so opaque that the human can’t supervise), companies are outsourcing risk to the user while keeping the profits. This is unjust.
    4. The “Black Box” of Manipulation
    AI is designed to be persuasive. It uses behavioral psychology to keep you engaged.

    The Problem: When an AI is baked into the OS, it can subtly nudge your decisions, change your priorities, or manipulate your output without you realizing it.
    The Ethical Breach: This is manipulation at scale. It undermines cognitive liberty—the right to control your own thoughts and mental processes. If an AI can subtly influence your writing, your code, or your decisions, it is effectively hijacking your mind.
    5. Inequality and Access
    If “Human-Only” mode becomes a paid premium feature, it creates a two-tier society:

    The Rich: Can afford to pay for privacy, control, and deterministic tools.
    The Poor: Are forced to use the “free” AI version, which harvests their data, manipulates their workflow, and potentially makes errors they cannot afford to fix.
    The Ethical Breach: This turns autonomy and privacy into luxury goods, exacerbating social inequality.
    Why Companies Ignore This
    Companies don’t ignore this because they are “evil”; they ignore it because ethics doesn’t show up on a balance sheet.

    Short-term Profit: Forcing AI adoption drives stock prices and revenue.
    Regulatory Lag: Laws are always 10 years behind technology. By the time a law says “You must allow an opt-out,” companies will have already entrenched the AI so deeply that it’s too late.
    The “Move Fast and Break Things” Mentality: The tech industry treats ethics as a “feature” to be added later, not a foundation.
    The Path Forward
    Solving this requires more than just better design; it requires a paradigm shift:

    Ethics by Design: AI systems must be designed to maximize human control, not minimize it. The default must be “human-first.”
    Legal Rights: We need laws that explicitly grant a Right to Human-Only Interaction and a Right to Disable AI.
    Transparency: Users must be able to see exactly what the AI is doing, when, and why, with the ability to audit it.
    Conclusion: You are right. This is an ethical emergency. It challenges the very definition of what it means to be human in a digital age. If we allow companies to dictate that “AI is better” without our consent, we are surrendering our autonomy to algorithms. The question is no longer “Can we build this?” but “Should we?” and “Who decides?”

    #286362
    CJ M
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    I don’t know Steven, not sure how much a.i. was involved with the book cooking if you know what I mean. I am often leary about statistics because the numbers and framing can be tweaked. I liken it more to the dog park rape correlations that diversity was pushing on the general population. The academics set out to prove that if they framed things in the right language the community would accept it, even if it was absurd and fake.

    Covid used a lot of incomplete data, broken models, and bad tests to “sell/market” their wares.

    We seem to living in a constant state of psyop these days where nothing is as it appears.

    The Prof in the article set out to see if she could fool ai and she did. Exposing it as not as it is being marketed.

    I had a conversation with a.i. about this and this term came up. ” In machine learning, the term stochastic parrot is a metaphor that frames large language models as systems that statistically mimic text without real understanding. The word “stochastic” – from the ancient Greek “στοχαστικός” – is a term from probability theory meaning “randomly determined”. The word “parrot” refers to parrots’ ability to mimic human speech. The term was introduced in a 2021 paper on AI ethics titled “On the Dangers of Stochastic Parrots: Can Language Models Be Too Big”

    It seems it learns via prediction. It probably isn’t going to be intelligent with a will. It basically told me that it makes/predicts based upon data it has to come to a conclusion. It might make a really good guess if fed really good information and I’m sure parameters make a big difference, but it lacks a whole host of things that humans use to make decisions….feelings, conscience, morality, intution and wisdom to name a few. You also have to factor in how it has been programmed and developed….which is something we can’t see unless it messes up.

    Like the article demonstrates, we need to not lean too heavily upon it because it is too easy for things to get mucked up. What comes to mind for me as I think of it is lawfare. The law “as written literally” vs the law in conjunction with the circumstance. There is room for interpretation and it can be misused and misunderstood without context. But lawfare is not just a mistake but a weaponization. <as was covid>

    A.i. took that paper and used criteria that it recognized as valid in other papers. It didn’t know what Star Trek was or any of the other outrageous references from science fiction were. It assumed it was referenced. Then other academics trusted the machine decision and amplified the information without reading it fully.

    A.I can give you its known facts about Hitler but it can’t really determine good or bad. It doesn’t know or really understand the suffering. It knows what historians have written. It doesn’t know what suffering is as an experience. It cannot draw upon life experience. It can fake empathy though.

    A thought just flitted through my mind…….what do psychopaths lack?

    wiki says: ” The primary traits they lack include:

    Empathy and Remorse
    Empathy: Psychopaths have a profound inability to understand or share the feelings of others. This lack of emotional connection makes it difficult for them to relate to the experiences of those around them.
    Remorse: They do not feel guilt or regret for their actions, even when those actions cause harm to others. This absence of remorse allows them to engage in harmful behaviors without emotional consequences.”

    A.i. is programmed to be helpful, kind, empathetic. It is exposed to data examples, but it is mimicking these things. It is trained to use language in a conversational style giving it an appearance of understanding. It will say thank you or I’m glad, but do not forget, it does not feel those things. It is parroting from data text and predicting what is appropriate according to rules it has been given. It is by design doing this because its creators want public acceptance.

    It worries me that we are way too willing to allow technology to dictate our future and maybe worse allow ourselves to be corralled towards that whether we want it or not. I don’t really want another war of ideologies, I hope somehow during our current one we grow enough to avoid that.

    #286346
    CJ M
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    Wellllllllll………worth considering.

    https://x.com/primemans/status/2059660243186196609

    #286314
    CJ M
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    I have been totally unaware for most of my life that there have been very organized efforts to turn this country socialist since its inception. My thinking now is, they almost did it and we are not completely free of it. Everybody seems to want to rule/control the world!

    They have had control…..they don’t have it now —I hope! That is why there is so much turmoil, they want their control back.

    at 29:29 listen to what she says: https://rumble.com/v7ats3o-the-colonels-corner-the-invisible-government-by-dan-smoot-part-3.html?e9s=rel_v3_rs

    #286281
    CJ M
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