The show is available for members. Bragg Road, also known as “Ghost Road” or the “Ghost Road of Saratoga,” is a dirt road in the Big Thicket of Southeast Texas where a mysterious light, the “Saratoga Lights” or “Light of Saratoga,” has been reported. The light is described as a ghostly orb or light that appears and disappears at random on the road during the night.
Some believe the light is a manifestation of spirits, possibly a lost railroad employee’s lantern.
A listener writes “I’ve been a member of SC, since 2021 when I encountered ” The Big Thicket Saga” and heard you mention Bragg Road ( first time that I heard a non native Texan that was aware of this place). I know the SC community gets irked with segments that are not Squatch related, but if you ever want to hear some real stories or need to fill a gap in programming, feel free to reach out.
I grew up in that area in a small community called Wildwood. I went to Bragg Road quite often between 1991 – 1993, and saw the lights many times( there is more than one- I once saw three orbs at the same time).
These experiences have prompted me to collect weird stories from all over the US. I would love to share some with the audience, if you think anyone would be interested.
Getting back to Bragg Road, I have my own sightings, plus a couple of interesting stories from a Hardin County Sherriff, plus a doozie from a trusted friend who saw a little person out there. That story is corroborated by two other people who saw one cross the road in front of them. All this happened near Saratoga, Texas, where Bragg Road is located…
Finally, I thought you would enjoy these tree structures that I found far off- trail in one of the units of the Big Thicket National Preserve. There is a story with this too, but I’m running long…The large snapped tree was green, when it was snapped, and extremely solid. It was snapped about ten feet up, and I don’t think anything less than a couple of three hundred pound men could have done it..
Darrell O
I really enjoyed this episode, thanks Germer! This is what Grok had to say about pedro
The San Pedro Mountains mummy, nicknamed “Pedro,” was a small mummified body discovered in the 1930s by gold prospectors Cecil Main and Frank Carr in a cave in the San Pedro Mountains, Carbon County, Wyoming. Found seated on a ledge, the mummy measured about 6–7 inches tall when seated, weighed roughly one pound, and was estimated to stand at 14–17 inches. Its unusual features—flattened skull, bulging eyes, and adult-like appearance—sparked speculation about its origins, tying it to Shoshone legends of “Nimerigar” (little people) and non-Native folklore about pygmy tribes.
Scientific examinations, including X-rays conducted in the late 1940s by Harry L. Shapiro of the American Museum of Natural History and in 1950 by Paul Martin of the Field Museum, concluded Pedro was a Native American infant with anencephaly, a congenital condition causing severe brain and skull deformities, which gave it a miniature adult-like appearance. Some early reports noted adult vertebrae, pointed teeth, and solid food in the stomach, fueling theories of it being an adult or even evidence of a lost race, but these were later attributed to misinterpretations or the condition’s effects. The mummy’s seated burial position, with arms wrapped around crossed legs, is rare among Wyoming Native American burials.
A similar mummy, “Chiquita,” was found in the same region around 1929 and studied in the 1990s after a Native American family in Cheyenne presented it following an Unsolved Mysteries episode in 1994. X-rays, DNA testing, and carbon dating (circa 1500–1700) confirmed Chiquita was also an anencephalic Native American infant, female, with blonde hair—an unusual trait. Like Pedro, it was mummified naturally due to Wyoming’s dry climate and buried in a seated position. The family later restricted access to Chiquita.
Pedro changed hands multiple times, displayed as a sideshow attraction in places like a Meeteetse drugstore and used in car ads by Casper businessman Ivan Goodman. In 1950, Goodman loaned it to Leonard Wadler in New York, after which it disappeared. Wadler reportedly died in Florida in the 1980s, and Pedro’s whereabouts remain unknown. In 2005, John Adolfi offered a $10,000 reward for its recovery, hoping to challenge evolutionary theory, but it has not resurfaced. Native Americans view the disturbance of such burials as disrespectful and seek their repatriation for proper reburial.
The mummies are considered anencephalic infants, not evidence of little people or extraterrestrials, though their discovery fueled folklore and debate. Without Pedro’s remains, further study is impossible, but Chiquita’s analysis supports the scientific consensus.
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Jennifer S
This was a great interview that covered many topics. Lived it!
Tami L
I was nodding along the whole time it seemed. Excellent guest Wes! I feel like we are about to reach critical mass!