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I watched the shadows move across the trees. When this happened the “eyes” you are referring faded in and out with the shadow cast. As much as I want this to be a cryptid, it is nothing ore than shadow play. If you don’t believe shadow play, then wait til the camera zooms out a little and watch the shadows to right and left on larger branches.
To further back my assessment, look at the shape of these “eyes” they seem to match other leaves on branches in the shot.
Debbie
Does the carrier offer increased hotpot amount to 20gb? I know some are out there, even if you need to switch. If not, they typically throttle down the hotspot to 3G speeds once you hit the limit. So, better off just using standard data. Get an adapter from phone to TV and use this to play movies on tv. Just some suggestions. Or research your phone to tv, but don’t use hotspot to do it.
Ok, hotpot is a different service. If you use standard data on the iPhone with headset not a problem. The moment you enable hotpot and connect pc or tv you are going to be using more data faster. That 3gb will be gone very fast, but, the bucket of 3gb data will be refilled next billing cycle. I usually use regular data, then uconnect in my truck audio and listen when driving. Or headset at work.
The iPhone and podcasts app does not use 3gb of data for an episode or two, actually even more. If you use podcasts app on iPhone the episode is saved to your device anyway. If you downloaded it, or streamed via website here, still not 3gb of data.
I just checked my iPhone storage in settings. I have 8 episodes stored and it takes up 520 MB, that is half a Gigabit.
I believe there is a misunderstanding. I don’t doubt anyone or even you and I never made any claims of doing such a disservice. Bigfootology will never get far when dats is there, but not all the data is open to scour. Whether the data is public or private. BFRO dataset is not clean, never was intended to be queried later, it was only to capture using basic web forms. The capture was not designed around modeling in mind. Capture methods are better now, and atleast can be ported into a relational database. Or a new one created specifically for modeling.
We all seek answers and it gets frustrating when there is more data, probably captured better than BFRO out there. But not available. Imagine if there are some small details in the data where it could open up new areas to research. New ways to approach the subject or new ideas or old ideas with new data.
Aside from your encounter using the data. You begged the question why should you release the data? Why not? You proved the reason with your encounter. Private info can be removed without using a waiver of liability or getting a client to release.
Need some help getting it out? I’m offering to host it once it is cleaned and up some. (don’t know how dirty it is). Let me know.
Thanks. I Know BFRO has these, so I mistook your statement of 40K reports as something separate in your possession. If you had them, I was asking to get them published, that’s all I was inquiring.
What about this?
If an individual or group seem to become comfortable with humans around. Then, they start to sound vocal mimics around domiciles, not in middle of hunting season in the woods. If they feel comfortable and begin to do this, is this because they are used to the presence of the same human, or comfortable enough to expose themselves? Or practicing how to mimic, when do do this? Like a Dian Fossey or Jane Goodall of time exposure and the threat assessment phase is over, and you are not perceived as a threat. If these animals know your name, or the dog(s) name, they have been cohabiting for a while around the area.Brings to mind the Munich snipers during Olympic games in early 70’s. The snipers after watching these terrorists for such a long time through optics began to feel personal. When the time came to shoot, they could not pull the trigger.
For the games they play. I am wondering if they also perceive us as the “other” clan. Juveniles sneak around, toss pebbles and when caught they run. Like young Apache kids being taught how to calculate odds on raids. Risk verse Reward. This seems to be when they start to become stealthy, learn from mistakes. But none of these actions seem to be a threat posture. Thoughts?
Great conversation.
After much coffee and thought, pebbles may not hold any key because we need to see the affected humans reactions and actions. The reactions (Humans) most certainly hold the next action these animals make or do. I wanted to move into mimicking. We all can read what it is. But, in this instance of
“Voice mimicking” of humans I find the MOST disturbing of all the behaviors.I suppose this would be classified as two, aggressive mimicry and defensive. I suppose this depends on what book you read for other categories, I think there are two baselines IMHO, Correlating intelligence from this may prove impossible since no species is in the cage. Although we do have plenty of encounters where people hear their name called.
If this is a defense mimicry I’m not seeing the logic. So, it is going to fall into aggressive, or wolf in sheep’s clothing. Most would argue this is an attempt at abduction or a kill. This would be the case for pets as some episodes have discussed.
If I’m observing this exchange where my name is called in my own voice. Or someone else name in my voice. To humans this is a scary subject and interaction and we would be hesitant if not already moving away fast. What part of Sasquatch mind tells them to do this? Testing, playful, curious etc. if the answer you have is to kill us, lure us into death, can you cite from an encounter where someone died from this this? I am “dying” to know.
If we strip the lure to kill us from the outcome. What else would this accomplish.
? Thoughts ?You mentioned 40k of encounters. Are these published for us to review or are these from BFRO? Can these be published digitally, scanned etc? Or sow,how get them scanned and uploaded here? What would you need to make them open and hosted? I’m sure there are us who would volunteer our time to get them published. That is a lot if data and not researchable is crazy. Think of the useful information contained in these. Well, it would be great.
It does not need to be gifting, it can be any behavior we want to get into that is more low hanging fruit. In your experience what are some low hanging fruit behaviors we can get deeper? How about growls, or something gentler like pebble / cone tossing? I want to engage in good discussions on these topics and the other forum I paid for is full of hot air.. alot of arm chair Phd’s.
Growling.. I see them doing this for clear reasons. Not to come closer, I’m here and displaying vocals to deter..
Pebble tossing.. (not the rock tossing). Do you think this is more attention getting, signals for communication or deterrence?
@ Augstine L
Thank you for the link. I did read the gifting section.
@GumshoGuy @ Wolf your feedback is valuable.The main intent of my questioning and getting thoughts from others is to seek the other perspective. I am stripping the personal interpretations of the affected person reactions and how they are interpreted. I am trying to gain a better perspective from only the Sasquatch side. By seeking behavior and merely questioning the other avenues of behaviors they show. You are adding personal interpretations into the events. I wanted to clean those portions out and just go with the Sasquatch reasoning for some items such as Gifting events, or trade off one item for another.
To suggest they intentionally mess with people, bang on walls, roofs etc. Is great stuff, but I want to get DEEPER into the behavior. Since we all have little or no clinical behavioral aspect of these animals. other than first hand accounts and how they were “viewed or interpreted”. I want to reach into one encounter and see what this would be like from the other side.I do see a failure in my usage of “gifting”. Maybe it should read something more relative to “return gifting”. @ Paul A was/is grasping what i’m seeking. Let me find an encounter and we can parse this out to expand all of our inclinations and perhaps dis-spell many things. I clearly understand your perspective.
Thank you @ gumshoguy for the reply.
I wanted to understand your reply a little more and perhaps rephrase my line of thinking a little. My objective is to strip myself from modern human behavior and step into the persona the Sasquatch have shown. To look at it from their perspective.
If they value something such as gutpiles, as we know from the numerous encounters. I as a Sasquatch would not give this up unless there was some intent. The people coming out of house and stepping in this, of course would say this is malevolent behavior. From the Sasquatch perspective it was never given a second thought of “oops wrong spot”. I’ll put this in front of your square cave entrance.
The urination is a fascinating one, and I wanted to add this last night. I’m placing myself into Sasquatch head. I see something in my woods, they walk like us, and have weird stuff.. I’m going to dominate this trespasser by urinating on them. I might be excited and it happens like a cocker spaniel. Or in my fearless attempt to mark my territory I ended up pissing on your head. I can’t see your head, so I’m just gonna pee on this end. Now, the human thinks they were targeted by flyby urination.
We all agree we will never know the answers, but asking and inverting the situation might help understand what we are dealing with.
@ Paul A.
I’m not used to this forum syntax, so I hope this is a correct reply process.
First, thank you for replying. I believe you and I are on the same track for perceptions on the gifting Paul A. I do admit typing while on pain meds is not generally a good rule of thumb, but you added more of my thoughts than I could get focused. You mentioned the gut pile, this is a good example. If they value guts of kills, only to leave some on door steps or entry way. The inclination it is not threatening, but offering in some fashion. We humans perceive this as negative experience, but to them it might be “hey.. I killed this, want some?”..
If I understand you correct for the sandwich trade.. we put value on things, and when we don’t get the same value in return we assume this is bad. This carried back to what we humans bring into the interaction to be a leveling experience.
This story has a lot of holes. The explanations of bear is pathetic. Nowhere in history of man, has a bear jumped from a ledge, landed on the hood of a vehicle then “conveniently “ got away. Based on the height of the hood and roof, no bear can jump forward and then up that high. If there was not a ledge.. They charge, can jump across things, but they don’t jump off and across roads like a feline, human or canines.
Force = mass x acceleration. The force needed by a bear to jump onto a hood/roof and cause that much damage would take a bear a few minutes, they would be hoping up and down after they climbed up the hood. Unless it was a dead fall down the hill p, rolled off the ledge into the road and landed on the hood, but no body. This is an elevated impact from above, and bears don’t have the body structure to sustain a fall from that height or even hit a hood/roof with the force needed. The height needs to be around 15 foot above, mass of roughly 900 lbs and traveling at a speed of 20 mph. Then you would be in the range of the damage.
Watch all the bear videos you can, and tell me where you see a bear jump off a small 5 foot ledge, or up a 4 foot incline without climbing. They don’t..
This reminds me of the interview Wes had done, of a Jeep driver witnessing a Sasquatch jump and tear across a road chasing a deer with a blinding leap.
And people eat this explanation like it’s crack..
