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  • #193470
    John B.
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    Family of 3 plus dog found dead in the Sierras
    Officials declare Hazmat cause??

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-family-3-dog-found-dead-remote-hiking-area

    #193473
    Darrel B
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    Yeah it does seem a little odd. Not sure how Carbon Monoxide or any other naturally occurring gas could have killed the whole family outside, plus their dog. If their bodies were torn up, I could see the authorities claiming it was done by predators post mortem. This is an interesting story worth following. Hopefully we’ll get better details in the days ahead.

    Great find, @John B

    #193474
    John B.
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    @darrelb Theyp said that there were abandoned mines in the area, but there is no way carbon monoxide is going to seep out and kill people in fresh air. Also, there would be other dead animals in the area. They did not describe the condition of the bodies that were found. I’d imagine that animals would have at least partially eaten them too, if not, that makes this even more stranger. It’s kind of sounding more like a cattle mutilation type situation. I’d like more information as well.

    #193491
    Augustine L
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    I live in that general area. It’s somewhat volcanic and can seep carbon DIoxide. Which sinks and pushes out other gases. And if you enter a gully or valley that it sank into, then you quietly die of lack of oxygen.

    It’s adjacent to Long Valley, which is a supervolcano area.

    They were not missing for long, only a day or so and there is no obvious cause.

    ANd the name of the actual area they died in? DEVIL GULCH.

    News ABC

    #193496
    Denise F
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    How the bodies were found (and location of bodies in respect to the others) would be the most interesting part.

    I can’t see them all falling over at the same time…not even the dog attempted to leave to survive?

    I see what Augustine is saying but it would have happened more often and surely warnings would be posted!?

    I guess it could be a freak of nature but it sounds a bit fishy to me….but that’s nothing new 😉 lol.

    #193497
    Bob B
    Participant

    FWIW: If it’s a gas event, it is unlikely to be CO2….the likely gas would be H2S. Hydrogen sulfide is a naturally occurring byproduct of organic decomposition.

    But still, no particulars on the condition of the bodies…hmmm.

    And, if it were H2S, the danger would likely still be present; i.e. if the bodies were found in a low area, a depression, or in a cave or abandoned mine. Seems strange that the LEO explanation was a vague and generalized supposition without any specifics.

    #193502
    wolfheathen
    Participant

    Devil Gulch. yeah. There’s also a Devil House high point nearby and a Devil Peak to the south. I guess with the whole family dying, we’ll get very little further info anyway. Wonder if they’ll announce closure of that trail, if they’re serious about toxic fumes. Presumably either way, they’ll close the trail. Park page still shows Hite Cove Trail as open, though it appears that the Devil gulch area is down south of the main loop a ways along the creekbed.

    Sad either way. damn.

    #193503
    wolfheathen
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    Interesting suggestion in the comments on the sheriff’s dept facebook post. A poster there alleging that illegal grow areas will sometimes be trip-wired with chemicals.

    https://www.facebook.com/mariposacountysheriff/photos/a.417607971597127/4617472508277298/?type=3

    #193525
    Darrel B
    Participant

    @wolfheathen interesting suggestion about the growers trap. If true, that’s next level brutality. Chemical warfare. Wow

    Side note – I don’t know about everyone else here, but @wolfheathen might just have the best profile pic I’ve seen!! Rock on brother.

    #193526
    Darrel B
    Participant

    @Bob yeah toxicology would definitely confirm the chemical if it was H2S. I tend to doubt CO2 could displace enough O2 to kill a whole family and their dog, but stranger things happen. It would have to be a massive coincidence, and we all know that just doesn’t happen.

    #193564
    John A
    Participant

    I wonder if this isn’t the very rare event of a lightning strike? Nonetheless what a tragedy to lose an entire family. I feel bad for the family and friends.

    #193574
    James N
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    I was also thinking H2S @Bob – colorless, odorless (brief sulphur smell at the beginning but disappearing quickly IIRC from my oil/gas project training). 3 volcanoes are erupting at the same time in AK as well. Was there a fault that may have caused the volcanoes as well as some kind of gas release in CA. I know, very far apart in distance but just speculating.

    Autopsy reports should help clear everything up. Whether any of that info is released is another story.

    #193582
    Augustine L
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    I would think this area unlikely for a marijuana grow due to its arid nature and the drought. The Merced River is there, but getting the water uphill to anywhere you could grow anything on that thin, rock soil would be a lot of trouble. Growers tend to choose areas more remote than this, too.

    Hydrogen sulfide gas can be volcanic in origin, but it smells like sulfur. Nobody is going to camp where is smells like Hades. Although sulfuric acid smells and you would not camp there, it could seep out in the night, I suppose.

    Carbon dioxide is odorless and seeps out of vents. It pools in low spots. You just faint. You can breathe, but it doesn’t do you any good because no O2. Village See also Wiki Mammoth Mountain entry.

    It’s possible it could be CO2, but I don’t know if there are really any seeps or fumroles around that part of Mariposa County.

    Lightning will leave signs, it’s not going to be a mystery. And the gulch is a low point, not a high point lightning will be attracted to.

    SO, IDK.

    #193588
    Knobby
    Moderator

    I heard on the radio, KCBS, that they may have died due to a toxic algae bloom.

    #193609
    John B.
    Participant

    Yeah Toxic Algae bloom… No signs of other dead animals though, besides the dog? Something is fishy, and it’s not dead fish from the toxic algae.

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-familys-mysterious-hiking-deaths-investigated-toxic-algae-blooms

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