October 17, 2019 at 9:15 am #158278Matthew WParticipant
I don’t understand the resistance to the proof that our impact on the planet is causing climate change? It’s understandable to be skeptical, but the idea that the world’s collective pollution can have an impact on climate is not so far fetched so as to be rejected out of hand as 100% false. We may not die of new illnesses in 50 years, but flue outbreaks will be worse as air temps get progressively warmer. If we can cure the flue in 50 years, that will be good. In New York State, where I live, the finger lakes were known as the trout capital of the world. Now, trout reproduction is not happening due to the rise in water temps.
Denise, your son is correct to be concerned. The issue is not whether all of the dire predictions eventually materialize, the issue is that we need to make lowering our carbon footprint so we leave a livable planet for generations to come. So if your son is even 25% correct, and if we might prevent future problems, it’s worth trying. We won’t miss styrofoam containers, plastic bags and plastic straws. If they can double your car’s gas mileage, why not?October 17, 2019 at 10:17 am #158281KnobbyModerator
Science is politicized on many fronts. Even with sasquatches. Wes Germer has commented he’s known scientists who have had encounters, but they dare not go public with it because it would be political suicide for their careers.
There is a tow the line mentality, and there a lot of political motives and money behind dire predictions. It has to do with control. Many universities would loose grant money if they didn’t tow the line on climate change, plus would be disparaged by their peers.
The predictions of dire consequences have fallen well below even the most conservative models made around the turn of the millennium. It hasn’t panned out.
I don’t know to what degree humans may or may not impact global warming, but things are being over-hyped; its politicized science. Whether its more hurricanes or less hurricanes, more flooding or more droughts, its all blamed on man made climiate change without solid support.October 17, 2019 at 10:32 am #158283Steven BParticipant
“I don’t understand the resistance to the proof that our impact on the planet is causing climate change?”
Because, as has been cited here, there is reputable proof to the contrary.October 17, 2019 at 11:12 am #158284Matthew WParticipant
When the lady sings: “let me drown in my black lake, let me, let me, let me, “
She is singing about global warming.October 17, 2019 at 12:35 pm #158287ChamberlinParticipant
CLIMATE CHANGE IS NOT A HOAX!!!!!!!October 17, 2019 at 2:43 pm #158289GumshoguyModerator
Amazing just how some are so allured to even enamored by this dystopian (idioma) standpoint that calls for pandering fear and apocalyptic climate change as though we should suddenly change what we cannot control. Did proponents ever consider preventing global volcanism and the proceeding ice age or when the rains fell from the skies 40 days globally.
It was written. What is will be.
There has never been any scientific attempt to unring the bell or create a great time machine to go back into history and change the course of natural history nor any proof of success exhibited publicly therefore it makes little sense to fear what will be.
“Climate Change” followers out themselves as those who have succumbed to the defeatist gloom and doom posture but for the purveyors who stand to make unearthly amounts of wealth they stand to gain immensely.October 17, 2019 at 4:45 pm #158293October 17, 2019 at 4:49 pm #158294
Matthew said “It’s understandable to be skeptical, but the idea that the world’s collective pollution can have an impact on climate is not so far fetched so as to be rejected out of hand as 100% false.”
Notice how the big polluters who were getting the attention of the world back in the late 80s/early 90s are never mentioned anymore?
Isn’t it interesting how these days YOU and ME are the ones at fault, not the big corporations that destroy entire eco systems?
The power of media influence in play…October 17, 2019 at 4:51 pm #158295
“The facts are there is NO evidence for carbon dioxide driving world temperatures or world climate for the last 6 million years of raw data”October 17, 2019 at 6:17 pm #158296Shannon SParticipant
What I fail to hear is anyone speaking about the real perpetrators of climate change. TPTB have been spraying our atmosphere with nano particles of heavy metals for years! They OWN the weather. The documents are out there.October 17, 2019 at 6:48 pm #158298GumshoguyModerator
(TPTB)?October 17, 2019 at 6:57 pm #158301
The Powers That Be… I prefer TPTTTB ?October 17, 2019 at 7:11 pm #158302
@Matthew W … the answer to your stated lack of understanding becomes very clear if you read/watch some of the links posted in this thread by Gummy, Steven and others.
If one does not look into things themselves but merely goes along with whatever is the official (read ‘presstitute media’) narrative, one will inevitably fall into the category of those who are smugnorant (read ‘useful idiot’).
Smugnorant. Def: smugly ignorantOctober 17, 2019 at 9:52 pm #158313Amy HParticipant
I always find it humorous when someone, including myself, uses “what’s happening where I live proves X”. X this time being climate change.
How many times have populations of species died off because something in their world changed and they lost their niche? Millions. How many times has the climate changed since our earth became inhabitable? Every 26 million years approximately giant-and I mean GIANT, climate changes have occurred. How old is the earth? 4.5 billion years. Do the math. Mind you, there have been many medium and small climate changes as well. They’ve all killed critters.
Ice ages, big ones; Just during the Pleistocene somewhere between 2 and 4. That 1 epoch. Don’t trust me, look it up.
Why are WE humans so arrogant that we think we’re capable of having any meaningful impact on a dynamic system that gives a rats-ass if we’re here? Matter of fact it doesn’t “think”. It’s a rock.
Climate change will happen rather we’re around or not. It’s happening right now but it’s always happening. Waters get warm all over the world. Organisms die. Then an ice age comes along. More organisms die. Life ain’t permanent. Enjoy what you’ve got today and quit worrying about a system that is far to complex and variable for any model or any scientist.
There’s never been and never will be a guarantee that your children and their children will get to live a full life. Your living on a spinning piece of molten rock in a universe that too big to comprehend. Stop the “I’m trying to save the world BS” Because you’re not trying. Your just mouthing what the media says or what your chosen political organization says.
Stop pedaling in fear. It’s tiresome and annoying.
Over and out….October 17, 2019 at 10:20 pm #158322Chris422🤠Participant
RUSH: By the way, have you seen the latest lame attempt on this? You know what now, folks? Food crops are getting much harder to grow. Oh, yes! Climate change. Climate change has affected the pH of the soil. Climate change is causing soil to become more arid. Climate change is making it really, really, really tough on farmers to grow more food. We are on the verge of predictable starvation! They know no limits.
The dirty little secret about climate change, whether it’s man-made or not, is when it does happen, there’s gonna be a whole lot of the world that’s gonna be capable of growing food that now can’t, if they’re right. There’s no argument from here that the climate is not changing. Only a fool would say that is because the climate is constantly changing. We go ice age, we go dark age, we go sun age, we go oppressively hot; nobody can survive this. Earth has been around a long time.
The climate has been up and down how many different ways with ice ages, where North America used to be totally overrun by ice? The only debate is do advanced capitalist lifestyles cause this? That’s what these people want us to adopt, and that’s bull. The idea that’s expanding the life span, increasing the standard of living, this is what’s destroying the climate? It’s a crock. But nobody denies the climate’s constantly in flux, and nobody should deny there’s nothing we can do about it.
We can’t make it hotter; we can’t make it colder. Do you know at PBS they think that I am dangerous because I said that? They did a whole segment on how stupid and dumb Rush Limbaugh is and how dangerous it is that somebody like me is on the radio saying we can’t control the temperature. Can somebody give me an example where we have done that? Can you tell me of a day where it was oppressively hot and people were dying and we were able to cool it down outside, the weather? There’s not a soul. Never happened.
Conversely, can you tell me…? Can you cite for me a day when it was colder than a witch’s upper torso out there, and somebody came along and was able to make it warmer? Can anybody tell me when this has ever happened? And yet you point this out, and you are the idiot, and you are dangerous? I am dangerous? “Rush Limbaugh says we have no control over the temperature,” and they start debating this as though I’m the Looney Tune.
RUSH: There it is again. “U.N. Report: Climate Crisis Making It Harder for Food to Grow.” Harder for food to grow! Not harder to grow food, “harder for food to grow.” It’s really tough in those seeds out there. “Climate Crisis Making It Harder for Food…” The food is really working hard out there, folks. The food is really trying, but it’s having a problem overcoming climate change. This is one of the greatest challenges I have doing this program every day is the amount of stupidity that I’m surrounded by and making sure my IQ is not affected by it.
I’ll tell you, folks, some days it’s a challenge.
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