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  • #167371
    Lisa B
    Participant

    @Denise You go girl! ?

    #167373
    Ben H
    Participant

    You really gotta hand it to Isdahl for one thing. He is one helluva PR man. The amount of buzz he’s stired up over this book of absolute truth of his that promises to be the end all of speculation and complete proof about Sasquatch is pretty darn impressive.

    If you listen hard enough you can hear a cash register open every time he gets a new click on his videos! ?

    #167374
    R p
    Participant

    Thanks Knobby for the thoughtful, constructive reply.

    I never understood the timeline, if they came across a creature digging in the sand for the body of its young, that suggested to me, it’s young met it’s end prior to P&G coming across the scene.

    Possibly hours or a day before. I wondered if there were two different films, maybe mixed up at the same lab, during processing. Rabbit holes…

    Either way it’s a fascinating story, lets write the script and call Oliver Stone. Although it would no doubt take an army of lawyers to unravel the rights.

    Stay safe everyone.

    #167456
    Christopher B
    Participant

    We don’t know? For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.

    Myth comes true:

    #167458
    Christopher B
    Participant

    It doesn’t radiate threat, but the potential for havoc.

    #167493
    Amy H
    Participant

    Okay, so I tried to read this thread but it wasn’t easy. However, I want to add 2 cents because Chris hit on something real. The road-building industry and POSSIBLE involvement.

    There’s an old man living in WA, Yakima specifically. He IS tied to the P&G situation along with the guy who claimed to be wearing the gorilla costume. These two guys, who know each other, actually do know the situation. We know what one says but the other remains somewhat silent. HE also has a copy of the original P&G film in storage. His family knows he has a copy of the film. His family knows he’s an unsavory old guy with a checkered past but has millions from owning a very successful paving business. Death and incarceration are a part of this old hard-mans world. He still has power and the money it takes to cover up shit.

    There’s a lot of stink around the P&G film… there is something rotten there, no doubt. Will we ever know, unlikely. It’s DEEP tho and evil. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just that the situation got outta hand and pissed off a powerful person who is himself a criminal.

    MK caught a sniff but unless those two old guys decide to spill the beans, we’ll never know. From what I know of them, that won’t ever happen.

    #167503
    Denise F
    Participant

    Here’s my thing.
    Maybe it sounds terrible for me to say that I’m not surprised by the killing of some…. probably happened more often than we realize. It was a totally different world back then. I’m from East Texas and I’m in my early 40’s and I can remember the way people handled things themselves. I’m in no way advocating for that but I understand how different the world was.

    I’m sure in today’s world that’s shocking and appalling. I can remember the days where my grandmother loaded up in her Oldsmobile with a shotgun to go and get my cousin back from a drink father who didn’t have the right to have custody.
    It was a different time and mindset.

    I swear I had a point to this when I started, ?

    #167504
    Denise F
    Participant

    I’m not saying that is what happened but of all this mess that got started…..that particular part didn’t bother me as much as the way people acted and the shit storm they keep pouring fuel on.

    #167505
    Chris422🤠
    Participant

    I’m shocked. lol

    #167515
    Denise F
    Participant

    @chris
    I’m just keeping it ? with ya, lol.

    #167518
    Steve E
    Moderator

    I’m reasonably sure the majority of the people here have heard of Occam’s Razor.

    The definition of Occam’s Razor is the idea that the most likely explanation for an event is usually the simplest explanation. Another site describes it as: Used in logic and problem-solving. It states that among competing hypotheses, the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions should be selected.

    An example of Occam’s Razor is leaves on the ground under a tree; because it’s Autumn, NOT because someone brought leaves from 40 miles away and placed them under the tree, NOT because aliens carried them from another planet 6 billion light years away; they simple simply fell from the tree they are located under.

    It is a philosophical or scientific principle according to which the best explanation of an event is the one that is the simplest, using the fewest assumptions or hypotheses.

    So based on that, which is the simpler and more logical interpretation of the known event?

    (1) That a guy who was looking to film a Sasquatch, responded to someone notifying him that tracks were recently found in an area, and he shows up and actually films one?

    OR

    (2) Based on one guy seeing some strange red colors in an OLD videotape, connects the dots to a story about a huge conspiracy involving Loggers, Pavers, the Government, Monkey Suit Makers, Monkey Suit Wearers, Film Processors, Film Editors, and who knows how many others; ALL coming together for this perfect storm of a story involving the slaughter of multiple creatures that are so elusive, that the average sighting has been less than 4 seconds over the last 60 years!

    Which has less Assumptions?

    Some people’s quest for fantasy in unending…

    #167524
    Chris422🤠
    Participant

    Gimlin is a gangster don’t you know. He’s fooled us Steve with all that lovable goodness. Duped by mastermind Bob;

    Shit, that sounds so stupid. Nope this whole thing sounds made up. I’m sorry; I just can’t swallow this crap.

    #167531
    Gumshoguy
    Moderator

    A big fat nothing burger there.

    #167561
    SCOTT O
    Participant

    It was 1967. We’ll never know the details.
    He said she said. We all have skeletons in the closet. Maybe Bob does too.

    #167562
    Chris422🤠
    Participant

    You know what’s awful about speculation? People often confuse the line between speculation and manipulation. Speculation can perform important functions such as discovery whereas manipulation just causes destruction.

    ——->

    Being publicly accused of a crime one did not commit is torture, and once the information is out there, trying to defend yourself, clear your name, fight suspicion, and tolerate disdain makes for a horrible predicament.

    People with little information can form strong opinions and take unwarranted retaliatory action from expulsion from the clan to spreading the false word. In Jane Eyre, the cruel headmaster tells the girls to let no one be her friend, take her hand, or comfort her. You get the sense that this is the worst punishment for Jane, worse than the head blow or the lack of bread.

    If accusations are not true, a person is in a situation similar to being bullied. Even if one is rich, successful, famous, or “has it all,” the psychological devastation can be ruinous. If you are not believed, if you cannot fight back with the true story, if now you are distrusted and under scrutiny, the sense of helplessness is overwhelming. People with inner vulnerabilities are easy targets. Others sense the fragility and find it thrilling to gang up or attack. Having a scapegoat can help a group form a strong bond and find meaning in what could be otherwise empty lives.

    Freud said that the pain of the ego is the worse kind of pain. Kids who are scapegoated with words that cause unbearable humiliation sometimes commit suicide. A supervisor in analytic school told me that kids who are tortured with words are often more traumatized than those who have been physically abused.

    It is widely known that people with certain kinds of pathology are brilliant at looking like victims when they are actually perpetrators. They can ruin the life of an innocent person. You can see this on Law and Order, learn it in Psych 101, or just intuit it instinctively.

    When you hear a story, consider the narrator. Who is this person? Why is she telling this story when she is? What feelings does she convey when she tells it? If there was true victimization, then the wish to retaliate is utterly understandable. You as the listener may feel like crying too. But what if the true story is not as it seems? You might feel a strange lack of empathy. Sometimes people dramatize. Some people lie or feel so injured for rational or irrational reasons that they come to believe their own distortions. There are those who are at peace when they lie and those who toss, turn, and torture themselves about doing so. In short, some people lie and some do not.

    You might wonder, as you listen, if this person is truly seeking wellness, self-protection, or justice, or if the goal is simply to destroy someone else? If a person is lying to hurt someone else, it is a highly aggressive act and the accuser needs help. Such choices do not foster a healthy existence with generous, loving relationships.

    You might hear a tale of woe, and just have the feeling that the teller is not all that woeful. Maybe there is a need to blame or malign for secondary gain: attention, fame, money, importance or drama. Maybe the person is not in touch with reality and is retaliating against an imagined transgression. Some seemingly intact people can have paranoid fears at the core. In order to “defend” themselves, they act against others. Maybe the goal is to take someone else down for competitive, regressed, or even unconscious reasons. They just want what the other one has.

    Making a false accusation in a public way is an aggressive act. In the movie The Bad Seed, a sociopathic child has an angelic demeanor yet manages to destroy many lives. Sweet faces, soft voices, and tears can hide sadistic impulses. If you know someone like this, the best thing you can do is steer clear and build up your own life in a positive, separate way. Time takes away the sting, people eventually figure out the truth, and recovery is possible. You may be stronger, better, and savvier after you get out from under this mess you did not create.

    I once attended an event where the speaker said some people are brought into this life to build, and others to tear down.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-creativity-cure/201402/false-accusations-scapegoats-and-the-power-words

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